Author Topic: So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm  (Read 18057 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm
« Reply #870 on: October 02, 2019, 10:26:23 AM »
PMs proposal, involves a modified Irish border plan with time limit (4 years).  Already Ireland is saying they can't accept it.  The PM says, if this proposal for a modified Irish border is rejected (and we don't know what else is in the plan) ... then it is no-deal Brexit no matter what Parliament decides.

More detail ... 4 years at a time with modified border between Republic and N Ireland.  And N Ireland gets to renew every 4 years, but can drop at the end of term if they don't want to continue.  This creates further mess, because Scotland will want the same deal.  Gibraltar also voted Remain.  Of course Ireland or others may refuse this compromise.  The EU Empire need not compromise with anyone.  Just ask Guy Verhofstadt.
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Re: So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm
« Reply #871 on: October 04, 2019, 04:55:49 PM »
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The Prime Minister this week made new proposals to the European Union for Brexit, although the auguries are not good - with the European Commission tonight saying member states had agreed there is "no basis for an agreement".



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Re: So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm
« Reply #872 on: October 04, 2019, 07:02:28 PM »
Channel 4 is part of BBC.  BBC is part of the Labor/LibDem coalition.

What is interesting, is that the proposed revised Irish border, is one that the EU proposed earlier in the PM May negotiations.  If they turn it down, they have turned down one of their own proposals.  It was PM May who proposed the tighter Irish border plan, that the Conservatives want to dump.  Also, earlier, PM May had proposed a more lose free-trade zone between GB and the EU, and that died as well ... a deal that also would be considered a winning idea today.  So basically it is more down to PM May being devious, not the EU being devious.

Later from PM Johnson, he tweeted something contradictory to the attestation presented to the Scottish court.  Speaking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time.  He has matured as a politician and ventriloquist.
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Re: So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm
« Reply #873 on: October 05, 2019, 12:20:18 AM »
"UK's First Alleged Case Of Brexit Psychosis" .. the man already had and underlying schizophrenia.  But we can expect under lying mental illness that gets tangled up, as a symptom with BDS and TDS.
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Offline Baruch

Re: So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm
« Reply #874 on: October 19, 2019, 11:51:52 AM »
Expected Letwin amendment again, to establish anarcho-syndicalism (Left Anarchist) as the ideology of GB.  This time supported by DUP, the North Irish Remainers.

"Hundreds of thousands march in London for a Brexit deal vote" ... repeat of the Spring voting.  Same Parliament, some changes to the May Treaty,  but same result.  His Royal Highness Letwin rules with an iron fist with the help of Bercow the Terrible.

Basically "meaningful vote" carried over until next week.  And as it has been continuously since PM May failed on her first treaty vote in January (greatest repudiation of a PM ever), Parliament is free to add as many blocking amendments as they feel like.

This will not end good on Nov 5 ... Guy Fawkes Day coming to destroy the British government.

Could be like Hamas and Likud, both sharing the same territory (as if Israel/Palestine had reached a one-territory agreement) and fighting internally rather than externally.
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Re: So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm
« Reply #875 on: October 20, 2019, 05:51:22 AM »
Two letters sent to Brussels.  First asks for extension, but not signed by the PM, only signed by MP Barrow.  Second letter asks to not extend, is signed by the PM, explains that the first letter is from Parliament, not government (and thus illegitimate per British constitution).
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Re: So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm
« Reply #876 on: October 20, 2019, 05:53:45 AM »
Request for extension filed, without passion.
Vote postponed.

Come Tuesday, what will happen in the next week?

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Re: So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm
« Reply #877 on: October 20, 2019, 12:38:00 PM »
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Request for extension filed, without passion.
Vote postponed.

Come Tuesday, what will happen in the next week?

Cliffhanger

It is unclear, if the three letters (not two) sent by GB to EU meet the requirements of the Benn-law.  Potential of no-deal exit still being prepared for as a contingency.  All Letwin-laws are narrowly defined to block any no-deal exit, during some finite time period.  It is unknown if Letwin-laws could hold up in court ... same with the Benn-law. 

There is a small chance of blocking of "meaningful vote" by Remainers led by Bercow.  Small chance of additional amendments to the Boris/EU agreement (forcing new referendum for example).  But it is possible for passing Boris/EU agreement in some form as civil law, since given the new Letwin law (good thru 10/31), some Remainers say they are willing to switch.  See how complicated lawyers make everything?

There are two different levels of approval.  If it passes civil law, but not "meaningful vote" aka treaty then GB has still left the EU (aka into 2 year period of negotiating new free trade agreement between GB and EU).  This is similar to President Obama negotiating the Iran deal, but it was never passed as a treaty in Congress.  Leaving it open for President Trump to cancel it, which he couldn't do with a treaty.

Presumably if there is a general election, and Tories/Brexit win, then the civil agreement that may happen this week will be converted into treaty form later.  The Brexit party doesn't like that, and may oppose the Tories in the general election.  That could leave the UK with a different "hung parliament", unable to convert the civil agreement into a treaty (and hence the civil agreement has a proviso for a revised no-deal exit by July of next year).

If you have a country at odds with itself, and the division is 50/50 then there can be no proper governance.  Ultimately, since elections do still occur, it is the British people at fault ... same as Italy etc.

Addenda ... LibDem and SNP are Remain.  Labor and DUP (defectors) are now New Referendum.  Basically Tories lost their DUP partner over this issue (and why the modified NI border was dropped by PM May 18 months ago, in favor of the hated Backstop).  In coalition politics, the tail wags the dog.  DUP being the tail.  NI is Remain anyway (as is Scotland), so having their party partnered with Tories was always a contradiction.
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Re: So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm
« Reply #878 on: October 20, 2019, 05:27:36 PM »
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Request for extension filed, without passion.
Vote postponed.

Come Tuesday, what will happen in the next week?

Cliffhanger

They've made their bed, I suspect they'll have to lie in it.
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Re: So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm
« Reply #879 on: October 20, 2019, 07:15:22 PM »
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They've made their bed, I suspect they'll have to lie in it.
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Re: So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm
« Reply #880 on: October 20, 2019, 07:23:28 PM »
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They've made their bed, I suspect they'll have to lie in it.

It's not just them.
We're affected too.

Postponement => longer trouble leading to wobbly economy.
No deal => immeadete shitheap
Deal => discomfortable but ultimately acceptable losses

Talking from the Belgian/Antwerp perspective, of course.
The deal on the table seems worse for the UK.
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Re: So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm
« Reply #881 on: October 20, 2019, 09:47:10 PM »
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It's not just them.
We're affected too.

Postponement => longer trouble leading to wobbly economy.
No deal => immeadete shitheap
Deal => discomfortable but ultimately acceptable losses

Talking from the Belgian/Antwerp perspective, of course.
The deal on the table seems worse for the UK.

For EU fans, Remain is utopia ... onward to W European Progressivism, death to the US, death to Russia, death to China.  Free lunch for everyone based on pillaging N America and Eurasia.  Provided y'all obey Germany ;-)  Somebody has to be the backbone for the New Empire.  China is pillaging Africa now, so I guess the Middle Class hooligans can't expect to benefit.  Only Chicoms are the Han master race anyway.  European hegemony is 120 years past expire date.  Won't happen again.  Merkel delusion is done.

Really, Belgium was in chaos, a few years ago, when Belgium had no stable government.  It isn't just ... will people outside the UK, be negatively effected. Not to mention the tariffs Trump is dumping on the EU.  It is certain that y'all will be hurt (no British money).  Won't be possible to deposit the whole population of E Europe or Africa or ME into GB.  They will all have to move to Sweden (the judas goat).  The alternative is Royal Airforce Lancasters droping bombs on you again ;-(
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Re: So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm
« Reply #882 on: October 21, 2019, 11:47:16 AM »
"The quote attributed to German Otto von Bismarck that 'laws are like sausages. It's better not to see them being made' is extremely accurate." ...  this is particularly true if you rely on custom and common law, rather than statute law, as GB does, with its "unwritten" constitution ;-(
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Re: So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm
« Reply #883 on: October 21, 2019, 04:12:13 PM »
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For EU fans, Remain is utopia ... onward to W European Progressivism, death to the US, death to Russia, death to China.  Free lunch for everyone based on pillaging N America and Eurasia.  Provided y'all obey Germany ;-)  Somebody has to be the backbone for the New Empire.  China is pillaging Africa now, so I guess the Middle Class hooligans can't expect to benefit.  Only Chicoms are the Han master race anyway.  European hegemony is 120 years past expire date.  Won't happen again.  Merkel delusion is done.

Really, Belgium was in chaos, a few years ago, when Belgium had no stable government.  It isn't just ... will people outside the UK, be negatively effected. Not to mention the tariffs Trump is dumping on the EU.  It is certain that y'all will be hurt (no British money).  Won't be possible to deposit the whole population of E Europe or Africa or ME into GB.  They will all have to move to Sweden (the judas goat).  The alternative is Royal Airforce Lancasters droping bombs on you again ;-(

I'm less worried about 'not getting the British money' than I am about the utter destruction of (swift) trade between neighbouring ports (and by extension whole countries).
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Re: So It Seems That Brexit Has Become a Category 5 Shitstorm
« Reply #884 on: October 21, 2019, 06:25:29 PM »
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I'm less worried about 'not getting the British money' than I am about the utter destruction of (swift) trade between neighbouring ports (and by extension whole countries).

Harbor masters in Calais and Dover say ... nothing to worry about.  But they are all secret agents of Putin, right?

As I understand it, there will be no immediate change in trade Nov 1 at all.  Only a few electronic changes that commercial/government units can easily handle (and that grandmothers can't comprehend).  No individual persons crossing either way will be effected who have legitimate reasons to travel.  Except no more Schengen BS.

There will be revised free trade arrangements, between GB and EU, over the next 2 years.  Those arrangements are subject to change over time anyway, because EU is a moving object, not static.  Are you expecting GB to embargo EU goods in either direction?  That would be an act of war.  Is there an undeclared war (see US vs Japan in 1941) between EU and GB?
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