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Offline Baruch

Re: Jordan Peterson’s God - Debunked
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2018, 06:45:53 PM »
Lets take this positive, and from theology to psychology ...

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The Shadow is our god.  But it is a monster from the Id (Forbidden Planet).  Progress only gives you the fate of the Krell.  Unless we competently bring up the unconscious, then the nightmares in the unconscious mind will come out on their own, and consume us.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Jordan Peterson’s God - Debunked
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2018, 06:49:19 PM »
More on the same subject, on how not to be French-like

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Churchill had developed his inner psychopath.  Lord Halifax hadn't.
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Jordan Peterson’s God - Debunked
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2018, 08:03:19 AM »
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...As a therapist, I'm thrilled that a psychologist has gained international attention with a best-selling Jungian-inspired self-help book. That people are talking about Jung in 2018 is pretty amazing. ...

Why do you think it is amazing? Jung died in 60s. This man has never been obscure. He is one of the few historical figures influenced the Western World that has gone through certain movements of sexual rveolution, the gender studies, fascination with sexual identities. He is not 'discovered' because self help is asking some brand new questions, or offer real solutions to people. He is one of the major influential figures that created this understanding in the beginning. 

Have you ever thought that any kind of gender based self help explanation, particularly with this perspective makes sense to people, because it's a convenient and safe way to deal with the hypermodern society? It's a popular culture solution. You can read and make loose assumptions and make money from it.   

Nobody listens to someone who stands up and say that how the global economical system shapes everything and that this is all about selling stuff. 40 years ago, it was about selling shampoo, conditioning and deoderant, knife sets, now it is identities and coaching; how should you live your life. People don't even use the word 'capitalism' any more. For a looong time now.

Is it a coincidence that the rise of self help boosted the general bullshit called the gender studies and there came the rise of a culture of worshipping oneself, human body and change the simple concepts like self confidence with hubris? Solipsism, self centered world views that teaches people they 'deserve' simply everything. That what they desire is what they need? Genders using historical events and references to blame each other.

Is it a coincidence that the number of people who aspires to be a psychiatrist, psychologist or a life coach or a career coach is over the roof?

Is it a coincidence that this is the most ego boosting job out there anyone can do?

Jordan Peterson gained international attention because of the already dominant tendencies and what people love to hear about themselves. And he is playing a role of the 'rebel'. As if he is not politically correct. What he sells is the oldest version of politically correct ideas on gender and human nature. 

Freud, Jung...these people are the reason for the new age hokum. That doesn't mean they are not important.

There is no difference between what The White Goddess and Jungian psychology tells in general as a category of source of knowledge, way of thinking regarding to human nature or genders. One is labeled as a batshit crazy wiccan bible, other is today's self help which is the majority of people think as some sort of 'science' that will change the world or their lives.

Self help is fucking placebo. A highly addictive one at that. It works in style of pryramid scheme. If you can find a corner, promote a good marketing and convince people you have the solution to their problems you become successful.

There is a reason why most people start with schools of psychology and then often end up with angel coaching and quantum healing. I don't mean you or anyone specific, I am talking about the nature of self help. 

Basically, as a result most people think gender based self help is some sort of a sub branch of evolutionary sciences. If you guys think, there will be any constructive consequences of this, well good luck. Don't hold your breath. Because there is nothing more dangerous than some thing imitating to be a solution while it is the main part of the problem.

Best example, religion. And self help is a new kind of religion. Because people need a new way to swallow what is in front of them. A different sugar coating. What is sweeter than promoting one's self by promoting others?     

   

 
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Offline Baruch

Re: Jordan Peterson’s God - Debunked
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2018, 09:27:25 AM »
So you oppose psychology?  Or you only support it when providing narcotics and psychoactive substances thru the legal drug cartel?  See ADHD etc epidemic in the US with our children.
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Jordan Peterson’s God - Debunked
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2018, 09:43:07 AM »
I am against snake oil salesmanship.

Offline Baruch

Re: Jordan Peterson’s God - Debunked
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2018, 10:47:27 AM »
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I am against snake oil salesmanship.

James Earl Jones, playing the snake priest Doom, in Conan The Barbarian (1982) is disappointed in you.

So first a long post (which is enjoyable), then a short riposite'.

So you only believe in Peano's Axioms of Arithmetic, like a good Pythagorean cultist?  Wonder if Pythagoras' voice was an entrancing as James Earl Jones?

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A blind obedience scene taken from a Crusader's description of the fortress of the Assassins in N Iran.

Will you jump off a cliff for Theodor Adorno ... @ Dialectic of Enlightenment?
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Re: Jordan Peterson’s God - Debunked
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2018, 01:20:12 PM »
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Wonder if Pythagoras' voice was an entrancing as James Earl Jones?

Not possible, no one has ever had as rich a voice as did Mr. Jones.
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If something cannot logically exist due to incompatible properties, then it does not exist. The God of the Bible has such incompatible properties, and so it does not exist.    You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Offline Baruch

Re: Jordan Peterson’s God - Debunked
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2018, 01:32:29 PM »
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Not possible, no one has ever had as rich a voice as did Mr. Jones.

Yeah for masculinity.  General Patton had a squeaky girly voice ... the contrast must have been ... ridiculous.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Jordan Peterson’s God - Debunked
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2018, 02:28:27 PM »
You have to dig into the deep past, in order to study the collective unconscious ...

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This is the reason why, this past year, I studied Middle Egyptian and Babylonian.  Studying Sumerian now.  To recover the deep memories, you have to speak its language.

This deeply explains our time, previous times, and future times.  There is a heroic mono-story, with countless people at try-outs for the pert of the hero/heroine.
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Re: Jordan Peterson’s God - Debunked
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2018, 03:21:40 PM »
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Why do you think it is amazing?     

In the US very few therapists use Freudian or Jungian psychoanalysis.  I personally know of no one who does psychoanalysis or even discusses Jung. Most therapists in the US right now use cognitive behavioral therapy, dialectal behavioral therapy, motivational interviewing, trauma-informed care and mindfulness training because these are evidence based. Most mental health professionals in the US work from a biopsychosocial model of health. The effects of capitalism, sexism, race, class, homophobia, poverty and such on the individual are part of the social component. Society can make people sick.



I agree that people pursue careers in mental health because they find the work personally gratifying because financially it is a poor choice. It is especially bad for psychiatrists, who are among the lowest paid physicians. In the US there are not enough psychiatrists, especially of rural communities.

I'm all for calling out hokum. Everyone needs to be skeptical and I am glad there are people like you who are looking at the big picture and questioning the status quo.
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Jordan Peterson’s God - Debunked
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2018, 03:29:28 PM »
There is a misunderstanding, GSO. I wasn't talking about therapy. I was talking about self help.

Re: Jordan Peterson’s God - Debunked
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2018, 03:53:00 PM »
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There is a misunderstanding, GSO. I wasn't talking about therapy. I was talking about self help.

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Offline Baruch

Re: Jordan Peterson’s God - Debunked
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2018, 10:34:23 PM »
Cognitive Therapy is mostly used in the US today.  For decades it was Behaviorism.  Freudian psychoanalysis was mostly before Behaviorism got going strong after WW II.

Is any psychology valid?  It isn't particle physics, so must not be real.  In fact, most of medicine isn't real, because it is routinely not reliably reproducible.

But I will say, that if there is no valid psychology, then there is certainly no valid politics either.

Actual medicine ... you help the body heal itself.  And in many cases, placebo works, because ... mind-body duality.  Of course materialists don't believe in mind, just neural tissue.
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Jordan Peterson’s God - Debunked
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2018, 03:04:34 AM »
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LOL. Well, I hope you got me better anyway.

I think people with real education and experience in this field should unite and try to 'outlaw' self help bullshit. It's cancer.

E: And Jordan Peterson is not one of them.
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Jordan Peterson’s God - Debunked
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2018, 03:23:57 AM »
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Cognitive Therapy is mostly used in the US today.  For decades it was Behaviorism.  Freudian psychoanalysis was mostly before Behaviorism got going strong after WW II.

Is any psychology valid?  It isn't particle physics, so must not be real.  In fact, most of medicine isn't real, because it is routinely not reliably reproducible.

But I will say, that if there is no valid psychology, then there is certainly no valid politics either.

Actual medicine ... you help the body heal itself.  And in many cases, placebo works, because ... mind-body duality.  Of course materialists don't believe in mind, just neural tissue.

Yeah and sometimes I want to write 'material' on a bat and hit the people who still talks like '...of course the materialists...' so their mind-body duality could get cured. :) Trust me, there is no better cure than a keen blunt object, materialising in air with a certain speed to make neural tissues suddenly more valid than they usually are. Old world solution. Tough love.

   

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