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Offline Baruch

Re: Pearl Harbor day special ...
« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2018, 07:56:47 PM »
Yeah, that's what fanaticism will do to people.

Gavrilo Princip, Vladmir Lenin ...
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Offline Baruch

Re: Pearl Harbor day special ...
« Reply #46 on: December 09, 2018, 07:58:08 PM »
Obviously the smiley's don't work so well here?

Use emoticons ... (:=|
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Offline Baruch

Re: Pearl Harbor day special ...
« Reply #47 on: December 09, 2018, 08:00:04 PM »
Why would Federal or Confederate troops give a shit about Hirohito?

 :wink2:

;-)

They did give a shit about Queen Victoria and the Czar.  The Czar prevented Queen Victoria from miscalculating and siding with the Rebels.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Pearl Harbor day special ...
« Reply #48 on: December 09, 2018, 08:02:30 PM »
You missed the point. The Japanese would be "bribed" to not go to war with China. That leaves the KMT and the Commies to fight it out in peace.

That had to happen before 1937.  The Manchurian candidate (Last Emperor) was satisfactory there.  The Strike North idea was always bad, because Siberian resources were only valuable in the long run, and the Japanese didn't have the luxury of time.  Germany did what they could 1933 - 1937 to bribe China, as did Stalin.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Pearl Harbor day special ...
« Reply #49 on: December 09, 2018, 08:07:04 PM »
Pearl wasn't Japan's objective, the carriers weren't Japan's objective.

Correct.  Yamamoto should have immediately committed seppuku when he failed, by Dec 8 our time.  It was merciful in any case, that he was still considered by the Allies to be worth killing, and he didn't see the destruction and occupation of Japan.  Japan's calendar was one day ahead.  Hirohito attacked on Buddha's birthday.  He wanted to be the rare example of a militant Buddhist (only seen twice before in over 2000 years).  The Buddhist Japanese clergy were quite patriotic, given the Meiji reformation gave most power to Shinto, and put Shinto directly under the Emperor (State Shinto).

Not all Japanese committed suicide in extremis, even when ordered to.  Some fought on, even until the 1970s.  And surrendered honorably.  They are to be greatly admired.  Of course the true heroes are the men in every fighting force, who died in combat.  Japanese officer corp did some strange stuff, including ritual cannibalism.  That is what George HW was heading into, when he got shot down.  Less lucky guys, caught after being shot down by the Japanese, near Iwo Jima, before the landing, had the bad luck to run into Japanese cannibals.

Here is a badly edited and audio modified clip from the movie about the last Japanese surrender on Saipan:



The actual Japanese hold out ...



Better version of the surrender, showing good spirit ...

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Re: Pearl Harbor day special ...
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2018, 12:43:05 PM »
The Japanese surrender on Saipan came after the largest Banzai Charge of the war.  Thousands died.

https://youtu.be/TJto2UoQfvE

The fanaticism of the Japanese soldier can never be doubted.

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Offline Baruch

Re: Pearl Harbor day special ...
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2018, 12:59:15 PM »
The Japanese surrender on Saipan came after the largest Banzai Charge of the war.  Thousands died.

https://youtu.be/TJto2UoQfvE

The fanaticism of the Japanese soldier can never be doubted.

4000 Japanese and 2000 Americans.  Very big. Firepower however, beats meat targets.
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Re: Pearl Harbor day special ...
« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2018, 04:19:36 PM »
Hai.  Wakaramasu.

Especially when half of the attackers were wounded men carrying bamboo spears or civilians who were just there to catch bullets.
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Offline aitm

Re: Pearl Harbor day special ...
« Reply #53 on: December 10, 2018, 05:03:04 PM »
Pearl Harbor cannot be adequately remembered without flippant reference to Cheech and Chong comedy skit.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Re: Pearl Harbor day special ...
« Reply #54 on: December 10, 2018, 06:16:00 PM »
Pearl Harbor cannot be adequately remembered without flippant reference to Cheech and Chong comedy skit.

We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Re: Pearl Harbor day special ...
« Reply #55 on: December 10, 2018, 07:01:28 PM »
BTW, today is the anniversary of the sinking of Force Z, HMS Prince of Wales and Repulse by Japanese medium torpedo bombers.

Such is the result of the silly idea to operate capital ships sans air cover.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Pearl Harbor day special ...
« Reply #56 on: December 10, 2018, 07:14:11 PM »
Viz the Pearl Harbor comedy ...

A significant contribution to deconstructive historiology ala Derrida by the finest Feminist scholars.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Pearl Harbor day special ...
« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2018, 07:21:43 AM »
You know the Japanese had about 10% IIRC of the industrial capacity of the US, right?

Yes.  And they didn't realize how quickly the US could react to their attack.  They thought they had us.  They had spent a decade planning and accumulating supplies.  They thought their military honor and determination would win the war.

It never does in modern times.  Like the US Confederacy contending with the far more industrialized Union of the North (where the North had such resources that they were also building the westward railroads and fighting indian tribes because they simply had TOO MUCH STUFF and soldiers once they got going), the Japanese never really had a chance.

Tojo knew that.  But he obeyed a god-emperor...
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Offline Baruch

Re: Pearl Harbor day special ...
« Reply #58 on: December 18, 2018, 07:28:30 AM »
Yes.  And they didn't realize how quickly the US could react to their attack.  They thought they had us.  They had spent a decade planning and accumulating supplies.  They thought their military honor and determination would win the war.

It never does in modern times.  Like the US Confederacy contending with the far more industrialized Union of the North (where the North had such resources that they were also building the westward railroads and fighting indian tribes because they simply had TOO MUCH STUFF and soldiers once they got going), the Japanese never really had a chance.

Tojo knew that.  But he obeyed a god-emperor...

Correct.  Emperor Hirohito was culpable.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Pearl Harbor day special ...
« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2018, 07:33:44 AM »
Correct.  Emperor Hirohito was culpable.

Thank you for agreeing with the obvious...

But wait "culpable"?  He was their god emperor, incapable of error.  How is that merely "culpable"?  Sure he was an isolated fool ensconced in a chrysanthemum tower but he was ALL to them.

See where the atheist view is getting in here?  :)

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