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Offline Baruch

Re: LoTR is Racist!
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2018, 01:12:46 PM »
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Grow up and/or fuck off dude.

I was quoting what Buruch said about him. Your little kid games of cherry picking aren't cute, they are pathetic.

Baaaaruch ... not Buuuuruch.  Back to the trees, no banana for you.

I suppose you are sufficiently tanned, that you think racism etc doesn't apply to you.  Just saying, not accusing.
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Offline Shiranu

Re: LoTR is Racist!
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2018, 01:23:07 PM »
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You racist.

By the way, you've still never actually explained how it's everyone else who is racist because you brought up Obama's ethnicity as an argument against him and Germany/France.

Just going to keep on weaseling out of that one?
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Offline Munch

Re: LoTR is Racist!
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2018, 01:31:36 PM »
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By the way, you've still never actually explained how it's everyone else who is racist because you brought up Obama's ethnicity as an argument against him and Germany/France.

Just going to keep on weaseling out of that one?

Nope, just forgot about it, like everyone else.

Cept you, those scars never heal.

Your poor superego must be like taffy at this stage

Offline Shiranu

Re: LoTR is Racist!
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2018, 01:37:15 PM »
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Nope, just forgot about it, like everyone else.

Cept you, those scars never heal.

Your poor superego must be like taffy at this stage

White people can eat a dick for being white.

That's okay to say, because you will forget about it in a day or two. So it's not racist.

I guess your still just going to choose the option of weaseling out of answering for racist shit rather than explain why it wasn't racist. Cool.
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Offline Munch

Re: LoTR is Racist!
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2018, 01:50:37 PM »
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White people can eat a dick for being white.

That's okay to say, because you will forget about it in a day or two. So it's not racist.

I guess your still just going to choose the option of weaseling out of answering for racist shit rather than explain why it wasn't racist. Cool.

It wasn't racist, because I say it wasn't.

That good enough for you?

Your not black, so why would implied racism linger with you. Were you a black rose in your previous life?

Offline Shiranu

Re: LoTR is Racist!
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2018, 02:01:32 PM »
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It wasn't racist, because I say it wasn't.

I'm just going to let you think about that for a second and imagine anyone else using that excuse.

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Your not black, so why would implied racism linger with you.

If by implied you mean directly stated that Obama's race is the reason he get's preferential treatment compared to Trump and that everyone is racist, then I guess we can call that implied.

Weird to say it's "implied" when you are literally directly bringing up both his and Trump's race as arguments, but okay.
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Offline Munch

Re: LoTR is Racist!
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2018, 02:14:41 PM »
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I'm just going to let you think about that for a second and imagine anyone else using that excuse.


Seems to work for your president. And he's done well for himself.

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If by implied you mean directly stated that Obama's race is the reason he get's preferential treatment compared to Trump and that everyone is racist, then I guess we can call that implied.

Weird to say it's "implied" when you are literally directly bringing up both his and Trump's race as arguments, but okay.

*Shrug* you take things so literally I guess it's why you felt that way.

I wouldn't dare apply everyone thought that of Obama, just tge ones who overlooked things he did overseas because his skin colour exempted him from such criticism by said followers.

It's not Obama I had an issue with, it's the ones who can't judge someone like him because he's black, because how dare it be assume he could be as at fault for the same things a white guy would.

In other words, only white leaders can be bad (should say only white male leaders to be specific).

Offline pr126

Re: LoTR is Racist!
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2018, 02:16:08 PM »
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Offline Baruch

Re: LoTR is Racist!
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2018, 06:20:37 PM »
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White people can eat a dick for being white.

That's okay to say, because you will forget about it in a day or two. So it's not racist.

I guess your still just going to choose the option of weaseling out of answering for racist shit rather than explain why it wasn't racist. Cool.

Sorry, yes it is racist (under the color-blind standard).  But equality of opportunity, hell, not even equality of result is desired ... conquest is desired.

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Re: LoTR is Racist!
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2018, 02:11:33 PM »
It is kind of interesting how races in worlds like the LoTR and D&D are naturally good or evil. There are some races in them that are just evil by nature, and they rarely, if ever, break away from that. Paarthurnax in Skyrim had interesting things to say about that. He was the lieutenant of Alduin's army, and the three words of his name even translate to "Ambition Overlord Cruelty." He later changes sides, and aids the humans in their mastery of the Voice.

"The Blades are wise not to trust me. Onikaan ni ov. I would not trust another dovah. Dov wahlaan fah rel. We were made to dominate. The will to power is in our blood. You feel it in yourself, do you not? I can be trusted. I know this. But they do not. Onikaan ni ov dovah. It is always wise to mistrust a dovah. I have overcome my nature only through meditation and long study of the Way of the Voice. No day goes by where I am not tempted to return to my inborn nature. Zin krif horvut se suleyk. What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"

I wouldn't call it "racist," though. These are fictional characters in a weird universe. "Race" doesn't even mean the same thing in these worlds. While here, race is mostly a social construct within one species, races in these fictional universes are actually different. The differences between a white person and an asian are minimal, while the differences between a human and an orc are quite obvious. In the real world, humans, elves, and orcs would be species, not races. But in these fictional universes, these vastly different creatures can somehow interbreed, so they are "races."
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Offline Baruch

Re: LoTR is Racist!
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2018, 07:11:13 PM »
Good, evil, race are all fictions.  We would be better off keeping them there, and not bringing them into the real world.  There are many individuals.  Each one is ... the way they are.  If you like them, or dislike them ... that is on you.
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Re: LoTR is Racist!
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2018, 08:25:01 AM »
I'm with Shiranu on this. It's a bit racist, but that racism isn't worth being concerned about given the age of the work.
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Offline trdsf

Re: LoTR is Racist!
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2018, 10:19:11 AM »
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I'm with Shiranu on this. It's a bit racist, but that racism isn't worth being concerned about given the age of the work.
My thoughts exactly. It's unrealistic to expect someone writing in 1940 to have a 2018 outlook on race, gender, orientation and/or identity. It doesn't excuse it, but it explains why it's there and where it came from, and at least where the work otherwise is of literary value, just means one has to read the work with that in mind.

Of course, it's more than just racism -- homophobia (or at least heteronormativity), sexism, religious and irreligious intolerance, and all the other forms of intraspecies hatred and division can just go under the catch-all term 'bigotry'.
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Offline pr126

Re: LoTR is Racist!
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2018, 11:01:10 AM »
How did we become so politically correct, so inclusive, so tolerant?
Have we really become better human beings?

Or are we just afraid to speak out because we are browbeaten constantly by the politically correct and do not want to be called racist, xenophobe, haters, bigots, Islamophobes, fascist, and all the other invectives?

We are being conditioned to become docile citizens, easy to control.

Here is the replacement for religious fascism.
Political correctness achieves the same effect. Heresy will be punished.
And just like in religion, we are self-policing against offenders. (Facebook, Twitter, YouTube censors)

I do not think we have become better, more tolerant human beings. Not really.
But you keep it to yourself. Dare not speak out.

BTW, it is becoming a criminal offense punishable by law to be "politically incorrect" and lose your job, freedom of speech, and become a social outcast.

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Other people, outside the western countries, do not have this restriction.
They say and do whatever they want (migrants to Europe for example) and we just have to tolerate and accept.

Thousands of young children are used as sex slaves while the authorities are silent for fear of becoming "Islamophobic".

/rant.


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Offline Baruch

Re: LoTR is Racist!
« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2018, 12:54:22 PM »
Tyranny is what we do.  Progress is impossible with humans.  We are merely changing the tyranny of the week.  In order for you to survive, let alone gain what your ambitions demand, you have to fuck people over.  Preferably using the government to do it for you.  That is why socialism is always popular.  You get Free Mafia without the guilt.  But of course, like all human social systems, it is self destructive ... because that is also what we do.

PC has nothing to do with tolerance or progress.  It is simply the latest tool, by the usual suspects, to extend and deepen slavery.  Some people can't get it off, unless they can hear the sweet screams of their victims.
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