Author Topic: Which version of Hell is the worst?  (Read 803 times)

Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Which version of Hell is the worst?
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2018, 04:35:51 AM »
For the life of me, I cannot picture a scary hell, let alone the worst one. Sure, I can picture highly disturbing scenes, but that is because I have seen a lot of movies. Religions are the ancient gore literature. We grew up with gore as real life. We'd eat that at breakfast, lol. 

I think this is about the religious doctrination imposed on a person as a child. I had none. It wouldn't work as an adult.

The real world is and always been worse than anything these morons have been making up for thousands of years.   

Offline SGOS

Re: Which version of Hell is the worst?
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2018, 08:28:13 AM »
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For the life of me, I cannot picture a scary hell, let alone the worst one. Sure, I can picture highly disturbing scenes, but that is because I have seen a lot of movies. Religions are the ancient gore literature. We grew up with gore as real life. We'd eat that at breakfast, lol. 

I think this is about the religious doctrination imposed on a person as a child. I had none. It wouldn't work as an adult.

The real world is and always been worse than anything these morons have been making up for thousands of years.   
Yes, it's pretty much about indoctrination.  The religious texts are gore literature, but actually not that scary, because they are dopey like they were written by middle school students, so they don't illicit real fear.  But introduce indoctrination and this changes.  In my case, indoctrination by a well meaning grandmother as one of my earliest memories before I ever set foot in an actual church.  It was done in her living room while I was standing next to her chair.  Her description of Hell was worse than the Bible, but only because I was more aware of her own fear and sincere belief while she described it.  Actually, her description of Hell may have been more laughable than the Bible.  She described a fiery pit where the Devil would make you shovel coal into a furnace.  I'm not sure why they needed a furnace in a fiery pit, but give me a break; I was only two.  Her description came from our family's own life experience, as the building we lived in had two coal burning furnaces in the basement where I watched my father shovel coal on many occasions.  Although, he never had my grandmother's Devil whipping him while he did it.  I actually thought it looked like feeding the furnace was a fun thing to do.

She also explained that the pain was worse than anything I could imagine, which is why as I got older, I began concocting my own descriptions of Hell while trying to imagine something worse than what I could imagine, which can't really be done, since you can never get to the point that's worse than the worst you can imagine.

The key of course is whether you believe it's actually real.  If you don't believe it, it's not scary at all.  If you do believe, it's a different ball game entirely.  And when you allow yourself the license to imagine your own Hell, rather than the rubbish described in the Bible, it can be unsettling.  But I no longer have any fear or doubts that maybe an actual Hell really exists, so the whole thing just sounds like a cruel joke to me.
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Re: Which version of Hell is the worst?
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2018, 09:17:27 AM »
Indoctrination is the real reason for all religions.  The original writers of said trash, had a reason behind what was written and mind control was one of the most important for them.  I remember growing up Communism was the horrid horror out there--it was totalitarian in nature and scary as hell.  Yet Christianity was and is a completely totalitarian way of belief.  It makes communism look puny.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Which version of Hell is the worst?
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2018, 12:15:32 PM »
I keep forgetting Church works differently and people actually visit it by family on sundays. See mosque doesn't work that way. They'd love it to work that way, but it never does. They can't even manage that ffs.

Offline Baruch

Re: Which version of Hell is the worst?
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2018, 12:37:23 PM »
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Indoctrination is the real reason for all religions.  The original writers of said trash, had a reason behind what was written and mind control was one of the most important for them.  I remember growing up Communism was the horrid horror out there--it was totalitarian in nature and scary as hell.  Yet Christianity was and is a completely totalitarian way of belief.  It makes communism look puny.

That is why the Catholic church weaponized fascism agains communism (both socialist).  All classic fascism comes from Catholic countries.  In Germany the Lutheran church dropped the ball.  So ... you are opposed to society controlling you?

The confessional ... superior age old control.  If you sin, go confess to the local priest about it.

In traditional villages, the village headman knows all, and is the local enforcer.  The priest is his KGB.
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Offline pr126

Re: Which version of Hell is the worst?
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2018, 12:43:37 PM »
We can create a worse hell here on earth, than any of the imaginary ones.
We are experts at it. And history to prove it.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Which version of Hell is the worst?
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2018, 12:45:13 PM »
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I keep forgetting Church works differently and people actually visit it by family on sundays. See mosque doesn't work that way. They'd love it to work that way, but it never does. They can't even manage that ffs.

But the mosque copies the Byzantine church, which copied the synagogue.  The men in the main hall praying, and the women in an annex or balcony watching them.  True family worship is post Reformation.
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Which version of Hell is the worst?
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2018, 03:58:59 AM »
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But the mosque copies the Byzantine church, which copied the synagogue.  The men in the main hall praying, and the women in an annex or balcony watching them.  True family worship is post Reformation.

It is not even that. That's the whole problem in a nutshell. An average muslim doesn't see a mosque unless he/she is visiting a historical one. They all pray at home. Also they are problematic places to visit for women and children. Very different than the church. No visual attraction, not a place to visit with family. Only men listening a -what do you call that?- the imam speaking. The style of prayer requires a big place, including the ablution before all the prayers. So there is never enough place and the whole thing takes a lot of time.

There isn't any kind of registry in mosques. Unless it is a very small community, you cannot keep track on who has been to the prayer or not. You cannot push people to come if there is not enough space. You cannot push women, because there is no place for them and it is inappropiate. Noone would even try.

It is not really a part of the society, is it?

So many things to write on this. Myeh.

Offline Baruch

Re: Which version of Hell is the worst?
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2018, 01:46:04 PM »
There have been major sociological changes in religious practice ... the temple system, the church system ... both state supported, with support coming from both the 1% and the 99%.  Zoroastrianism in Persia went thru a whole sea change from the Achaemenid period to the Sassanian period ... from elitism to populism.  But there were always the lares and penates ... the private family religion too.  With the later stages of Protestantism, the private religion (of like minded people) moved front and center.  Public religion became less central.  Synagogue Judaism, Mosque Islam and Catholic/Orthodox Christianity are public cults.  You worship and are saved collectively as a community, not as families.  Only intermittent gnostic movements have taken religion into the private sphere (in the monotheist context).  Though some gnosticism (and "personal relationship with Jesus" is gnostic) has become populist.  Taking religion out of the state, out of the institution, out of the community, out of clericalism ... is profoundly threatening to the status quo at all levels.  This is essentially what I see John the Baptist representing.  No wonder they decapitated him.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Which version of Hell is the worst?
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2018, 08:21:37 PM »
Here is he best version of Hell ...

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Offline Cavebear

Re: Which version of Hell is the worst?
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2018, 02:17:45 AM »
There is no hell because there is no deity.  Either requires the other, and neither exists.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Offline Baruch

Re: Which version of Hell is the worst?
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2018, 11:13:15 AM »
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There is no hell because there is no deity.  Either requires the other, and neither exists.

You are forgetting Auschwitz.  And that "Hell is other people".  Yes, no deity required, just demi-gods of Satan.
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Re: Which version of Hell is the worst?
« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2018, 11:37:30 AM »
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You are forgetting Auschwitz.  And that "Hell is other people".  Yes, no deity required, just demi-gods of Satan.
Satan is a deity.  But all deities are fiction.  People created hell is just that--created by people.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: Which version of Hell is the worst?
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2018, 01:40:52 PM »
Yeah, just like Soylent Green...
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Re: Which version of Hell is the worst?
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2018, 01:45:10 PM »
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Yeah, just like Soylent Green...
Yeah--Charlton Heston got upset over it. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

 

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