The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED

Started by pr126, October 17, 2018, 10:08:43 AM

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Munch

Quote from: Baruch on October 21, 2018, 07:06:53 PM
Sorry, it isn't up to you or me to determine who is evil.  That is G-d's job.  And maybe not even then, since anti-hero and lovable villain categories make this very hard work.

think i'd value the opinion of a judge and jury before god tbh.
'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Baruch

Quote from: Munch on October 21, 2018, 08:25:23 PM
think i'd value the opinion of a judge and jury before god tbh.

I have low expectations from the judiciary.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

drunkenshoe

#92
Quote from: Baruch on October 21, 2018, 07:06:53 PM
Sorry, it isn't up to you or me to determine who is evil.  That is G-d's job.  And maybe not even then, since anti-hero and lovable villain categories make this very hard work.

LOL, I was drunk and listening that at the moment (Not that vid, the soundtrack) I have seen your post. That is why I posted it. Until I get sober, from a man I love so much.

“I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people. You’re wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides.” Vetinari (Terry Pratchett)
"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

GSOgymrat

Quote from: pr126 on October 21, 2018, 02:14:53 PM
Jonathan Haidt is a social psychologist and Professor of Ethical Leadership at New York University's Stern School of Business. His academic specialization is the psychology of morality and the moral emotions. He is author of The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion, and The Happiness Hypothesis.

He co-authored (with Greg Lukianoff of FIRE) an influential article in the September 2015 issue of The Atlantic, entitled "The Coddling of the American Mind": http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/a...

Lukianoff and Haidt recently wrote a book from that Atlantic article called The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure. I was going to create a thread about the ideas of the book but couldn't condense it enough for a forum post. I recommend it.

Baruch

Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 22, 2018, 03:34:33 AM
Lukianoff and Haidt recently wrote a book from that Atlantic article called The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure. I was going to create a thread about the ideas of the book but couldn't condense it enough for a forum post. I recommend it.

Someone else's review in place of yours that might have been ...

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/sep/20/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind-review

My analysis?  Yes, it has ideas.  If it is all about contemporary politics, then this book seems to be revanchism by neo-liberalism (aka Clintonism).  And this Guardian review seems to be clutching-at-pearls by the orthodox Marxists.  Communism is inevitable.  Just lay back and think of England (aka British woman spy letting a Nazi fuck her ... ends justify means).
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

GSOgymrat

Quote from: Baruch on October 22, 2018, 04:23:17 AM
Someone else's review in place of yours that might have been ...

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/sep/20/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind-review

This review included a response to Moira Weigel’s review in The Guardian and is more indicative of what I wanted to write about, which is their actual ideas.

The Idioms of Non-Argument: What happens when reviewers spend more time focusing on the motives of authors than the merits of their claims?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/coddling-american-mind-and-its-discontents/572965/

SGOS

#96
Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 22, 2018, 05:03:12 AM
This review included a response to Moira Weigel’s review in The Guardian and is more indicative of what I wanted to write about, which is their actual ideas.

The Idioms of Non-Argument: What happens when reviewers spend more time focusing on the motives of authors than the merits of their claims?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/coddling-american-mind-and-its-discontents/572965/
Amazon has lots of user reviews, and I always look at these.  Sometimes I only read the most positive and the most negative, sometimes just the 2s and 3s.  When the book covers a controversial topic, I always wonder if the reviewer is responding to the merits of the book or the politics of the author, especially when the review is scathing and vague.  For example if the review says the book is full of Marxist ideas, you can bet it's a conditioned response, not one that actually considered the material analytically.  I ignore such reviews and stop reading, sometimes in mid sentence, since I can tell the reviewer is giving more insight into his own flawed mental processing than the actual content of the book.

Baruch

Ok ... competing reviews.  One American, the other British.  No incest there.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.


drunkenshoe

I'm sure you guys know the Pixar movie Inside Out. This^ is what that movie is designed to teach children in principle, but first adults must watch it in my opinion.

Well, of course it is very simplified to reach the target audience, most of the adults wouldn't be able to stand it. I watched it because I look into any kind of animation and this is Pixar. I wasn't expecting anything like it. I cried. Like sobbing cried. It made me think of every person on the planet, all of us, as a child and as an adult. I can simply say, it is the best thing done on evolution of human emotion. And it is a child movie. Hint.

     



"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

Baruch

Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 28, 2018, 02:35:43 AM
I'm sure you guys know the Pixar movie Inside Out. This^ is what that movie is designed to teach children in principle, but first adults must watch it in my opinion.

Well, of course it is very simplified to reach the target audience, most of the adults wouldn't be able to stand it. I watched it because I look into any kind of animation and this is Pixar. I wasn't expecting anything like it. I cried. Like sobbing cried. It made me think of every person on the planet, all of us, as a child and as an adult. I can simply say, it is the best thing done on evolution of human emotion. And it is a child movie. Hint.

   

EQ over IQ.  But both are needed.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

SGOS

#101
Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 28, 2018, 12:09:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzGH97DQzA4
Agree, agree, agree.  These are three clichés that need to be examined and thoughtfully critiqued.  They are around because they have become indoctrinated (in some people more than others), and are hard to unlearn.  Although, I would hesitate to say they are wrong, but I do fully accept that they are clearly NOT right.  For example:

"Always let your emotions be your guide."  Somewhere deep down inside, this cliché was probably well intended by an indoctrinated mentor.  In addition, there is even a smidgeon of truth in the philosophy.  But here's the rub; That truth is only just a smidgeon, AND it has situational context.  In other words, it doesn't always apply.  One might even argue that it seldom applies.  It should be reworded: "Be aware of your emotions, but don't let them control your social interactions, unless you want to are totally willing to accept the consequences (And blaming other's for your consequences is being intellectually irresponsible)." 

Acting on your emotions can be satisfying, and can give you a tremendous sense of power, but it can be wildly destructive to yourself and others.  Also, that sense of power is not even real power.

As in the case of most of these "clichés of wisdom," there is often a happy medium to be found, and with that I'm going to invent a new "cliché of wisdom":  "If you think you're operating at your happy medium, then you are surely wrong."

Much of the nonsense we believe is simply not true, but these three are a good place to start an evaluation.

SGOS

Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 28, 2018, 02:35:43 AM
I'm sure you guys know the Pixar movie Inside Out. This^ is what that movie is designed to teach children in principle, but first adults must watch it in my opinion.

Well, of course it is very simplified to reach the target audience, most of the adults wouldn't be able to stand it. I watched it because I look into any kind of animation and this is Pixar. I wasn't expecting anything like it. I cried. Like sobbing cried. It made me think of every person on the planet, all of us, as a child and as an adult. I can simply say, it is the best thing done on evolution of human emotion. And it is a child movie. Hint.
I would put that Pixar on every adults must see list.  Actually, I think there may be more in it for adults than there is for kids.  For all the fooling around in the film, I think it hits the nail on the head, although Freud and Jung might disagree, but that's only because their old stuffy codgers.

Baruch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony_and_Socialist_Strategy

Argentine socialist founder of post-Marxism (aka cultural Maxism) and his associate, a socialist Belgian operating out of GB.  It is possible that the Frankfurt school is getting too much credit.  Of course cultural Marxists will deny this just as they deny that Islam has a tendency toward jihad.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

pr126

#104
Quote from: Baruch on October 29, 2018, 04:20:45 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony_and_Socialist_Strategy

Argentine socialist founder of post-Marxism (aka cultural Maxism) and his associate, a socialist Belgian operating out of GB.  It is possible that the Frankfurt school is getting too much credit.  Of course cultural Marxists will deny this just as they deny that Islam has a tendency toward jihad.

The reason why the left is partnering with Muslims because the migrant Muslims are used as schock troups to destabilize society.

It is a symbiotic arrangement (for now) because Muslim are using the left to spread Islam and get a foothold in western countries.

Either way, it won’t end well for the rest of us.