Author Topic: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED  (Read 4455 times)

Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
« Reply #75 on: October 21, 2018, 12:56:38 PM »
I should also add that in response to victimhood culture and also the citing your shit thing,
I personally know someone that I suspect making up that people were coming out as heterosexual for "coming out day".
Her facebook post read as this "it's 2018 and people are still coming out as heterosexual." I highly suspect she made that shit up. I have a few reasons I came up to as for her "why"s but regardless, I am pretty sure she made that shit up.

I also recently saw an article that is complaining that Fortnite is "culturally appropriating black culture by stealing their dances" and this one I know people stupidly think because a black acquaintance of mine is the one that was agreeing with it.

Victimhood culture is ridiculous, but holy shit cite your shit.

CITE. YOUR. SHIT.

Offline pr126

Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
« Reply #76 on: October 21, 2018, 01:02:24 PM »
PickelledEggs wrote:
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Cite. your. shit. This is elementary stuff. You learn it in grammar school. Always cite your work. Or do they not teach that in the UK?

1. I went to school in the early 1950s in Hungary, which was still a communist country over 60 years ago.
A different world.
Long before you were even thought of.

2. With basic intelligence, the person can work out for himself/herself/itself (see what I did there?) what is the video about, how relevant is to the thread and who is talking about what subject.

I do not think it needs a commentary every time.
The is Internet not a school for special needs.

 

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Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
« Reply #77 on: October 21, 2018, 01:09:19 PM »
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PickelledEggs wrote:
1. I went to school in the early 1950s in Hungary, which was still a communist country over 60 years ago.
A different world.
Long before you were even thought of.

2. With basic intelligence, the person can work out for himself/herself/itself (see what I did there?) what is the video about, how relevant is to the thread and who is talking about what subject.

I do not think it needs a commentary every time.
The is Internet not a school for special needs.

 


I understand what the video is about. Anyone with basic intelligence can do that, which is why you are able to.

The validity of it is another thing entirely. Cite your shit.

Offline pr126

Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
« Reply #78 on: October 21, 2018, 01:25:38 PM »

If the content does not agree with your beliefs/political views it is by default invalid.
"Citing" would be a wasted effort.




Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
« Reply #79 on: October 21, 2018, 01:54:35 PM »
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If the content does not agree with your beliefs/political views it is by default invalid.
"Citing" would be a wasted effort.
How is this a logical response? You don't know my stance on things. As I just mentioned I dislike victimhood culture
Cite your shit.

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Offline pr126

Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
« Reply #80 on: October 21, 2018, 01:57:22 PM »
No.

Offline Munch

Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
« Reply #81 on: October 21, 2018, 01:59:54 PM »
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How is this a logical response? You don't know my stance on things. As I just mentioned I dislike victimhood culture
Cite your shit.

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Sorry but what can he cite exactly? Its a video of a university professor giving a lecture. What more could you be asking for?

Offline Baruch

Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
« Reply #82 on: October 21, 2018, 02:11:02 PM »
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This is exactly what I am talking about,lol. My 'backup', yeah. Do you honestly think that there is some sort of an idea or a 'philosophy' on the planet that is not related to this boogie man called Karl Marx or any critical theory produced after which you are trying so hard to look down?

Yeah I know it is annoying. Yeah I have written this before. Yes, It's the so called broken record of the evil cultural marxists, socialists, and feminists and blah blah. But there is not. Sorry.

Let me put it this way. If you or pr were able to actually produce some sort of criticism of cultural marxism that would be included in the populist accumulation of cultural marxism.

For example, Foucault is one of the best critics of cultural marxism and probably the best asset of critcal theory. In fact, Foucault actually goes further than cultural marxists in contributing to the accumulation you pretend to dismiss. Can you follow this?

What does 'giving facts about Erdoğan' mean? How can I provide you with 'facts' about a politician? Do you know what does fact mean? Do you mean you want an insight what is going on in the country, is that it?

It's actually pretty similar to what is going on in the States with Trump and the government. You are in the first phase. We are deep in.

What do you think is happening here that is so different than the place you live in?

I have two sides, I am not a Mobius strip (sorry, keeping my clothes on, not stripping for anyone).  But to "counter" the narrative here, I have to bend from "Center" to "Right" ... but in traditional rather than conservative or reactionary form.  Because I am not Right or Left ... aka that is what Center means.  I could choose to be a Left echo-chamber (I can channel my inner Marxist), but how boring would that be?  Cavebear, who is on vacation, in particular wants an echo chamber, that agrees very closely to his POV (which in real life isn't far for mine, because our life circumstances have similarities).  Pr126 and Munch know they aren't going to get much "love" here, so their reasons for being here must be something else.  I know I won't get much love either, from anyone, because I am a theist.  And this forum as actually helped me refine my "traditionalist" theism.

It has been awhile since we talked here.  I can actually engage ideology and philosophy like an adult, same as you.  But that isn't the style of dialog here ... from pr126 or his detractors.  It is mostly mark-line-in-sand politics.  In the end, I have to spread my sympathies in both directions.  Pr126 and Munch appreciate that.  I can see their POV.  I can also see the very idealistic "continental" EU POV.  But Britain is different,  though traditionally Scotland and Ireland are closely tied to France and Germany.  In my case I have a much more positive view of immigrants and refugees. That is easier to do in the US.

"Can you follow this?"  Hell yes.  But as intelligentsia debate points .... not as politics.

"Foucault"  Hell yes.  But as intelligentsia debate points .... not as politics.

"Global village" ... Duh.  Everything happens somewhere, and now that means it happens everywhere.  Every election, every murder, every everything.  There is a big downside to the "global village" ... namely way too many village idiots.

See with politics (particularly US) ... I have to get out my carving knife and start flaying my enemies list.  Debate isn't threatening to my survival or my daughter.  I dig free speech, which is Anglo-American ... not Franco-German.  But if you get beyond speech, then that means war.  Politics is war by other means.  There is no such thing as pacifism, other than as irony.

i like you a lot.  You don't annoy me at all.  Don't conflate me with other people, please.  Pr126 and Munch are atheists, I am not.  Munch is gay, I am not.  But my empathy extends to people different from myself, provided they not put a knife to my throat and make dire threats.  Otherwise I would treat you like any other Nazi or Stalinist.
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Offline Baruch

Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
« Reply #83 on: October 21, 2018, 02:13:48 PM »
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Sorry but what can he cite exactly? Its a video of a university professor giving a lecture. What more could you be asking for?

Confirmation by MI6, by PM May, by Washington Post, by Guardian, by all the usual "state" organs of disinformation.  And only gay trans Black-Hispanic anarchist professors are ... "woke".

But pr126 could give a sentence, even one sentence, why this video fits his narrative.
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Offline pr126

Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
« Reply #84 on: October 21, 2018, 02:14:53 PM »
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Sorry but what can he cite exactly? Its a video of a university professor giving a lecture. What more could you be asking for?

Hang on, here is the "citing" taken from Youtube from the video.

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Jonthan Haidt discusses modern society's transition from an honor culture to a dignity culture, and now to a new victimhood culture, and its profound impact on people raised in such an environment.

Excerpted from his lecture: "Two Incompatible Sacred Values in American Universities" at Duke University, October 6, 2016.

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Jonathan Haidt is a social psychologist and Professor of Ethical Leadership at New York University's Stern School of Business. His academic specialization is the psychology of morality and the moral emotions. He is author of The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion, and The Happiness Hypothesis.

He co-authored (with Greg Lukianoff of FIRE) an influential article in the September 2015 issue of The Atlantic, entitled "The Coddling of the American Mind": You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login...

One could have read it without any help.


Offline Baruch

Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
« Reply #85 on: October 21, 2018, 02:18:46 PM »
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Fake news is determined by the truth of it's claim.  Fake news consists of lies, false reports, and unsupported claims presented as fact.  This should not be confused with propaganda, which can be created by shifting focus, and ignoring events which don't suit a political agenda.  Why the left hates white people is a bit of both.  It uses flawed logic and fallacy to imply that something about the left, which is far more characteristic of the right.

Apply this to all the crap coming out of MSM?  Clean up your own CNN house first.  See skepticism is good, but two edged.  How can you determine the "truth".  "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." ??  Sorry, not available to atheists or members of some religious traditions.  For me, as read this Jewishly ... not as a Christian, this is totally correct.  And not because someone wrote this down 2000 years ago.  This fits the inner meaning of what I mean by "I am a demigod, and so are you".  Without the path of going from potentiality to actuality, from transcendent to immanent, from spirit to body ... then there is no existence, and non-existence is a nothing-burger.
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Offline Baruch

Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
« Reply #86 on: October 21, 2018, 02:19:43 PM »
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Hang on, here is the "citing" taken from Youtube from the video.

One could have read it without any help.

People reading here are "special needs".  They need that to be pointed out.  But not what someone else responds, but what you would respond if you did it yourself.
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
« Reply #87 on: October 21, 2018, 05:24:41 PM »
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I have two sides, I am not a Mobius strip (sorry, keeping my clothes on, not stripping for anyone).  But to "counter" the narrative here, I have to bend from "Center" to "Right" ... but in traditional rather than conservative or reactionary form.  Because I am not Right or Left ... aka that is what Center means.  I could choose to be a Left echo-chamber (I can channel my inner Marxist), but how boring would that be?  Cavebear, who is on vacation, in particular wants an echo chamber, that agrees very closely to his POV (which in real life isn't far for mine, because our life circumstances have similarities).  Pr126 and Munch know they aren't going to get much "love" here, so their reasons for being here must be something else.  I know I won't get much love either, from anyone, because I am a theist.  And this forum as actually helped me refine my "traditionalist" theism.

It has been awhile since we talked here.  I can actually engage ideology and philosophy like an adult, same as you.  But that isn't the style of dialog here ... from pr126 or his detractors.  It is mostly mark-line-in-sand politics.  In the end, I have to spread my sympathies in both directions.  Pr126 and Munch appreciate that.  I can see their POV.  I can also see the very idealistic "continental" EU POV.  But Britain is different,  though traditionally Scotland and Ireland are closely tied to France and Germany.  In my case I have a much more positive view of immigrants and refugees. That is easier to do in the US.

"Can you follow this?"  Hell yes.  But as intelligentsia debate points .... not as politics.

"Foucault"  Hell yes.  But as intelligentsia debate points .... not as politics.

"Global village" ... Duh.  Everything happens somewhere, and now that means it happens everywhere.  Every election, every murder, every everything.  There is a big downside to the "global village" ... namely way too many village idiots.

See with politics (particularly US) ... I have to get out my carving knife and start flaying my enemies list.  Debate isn't threatening to my survival or my daughter.  I dig free speech, which is Anglo-American ... not Franco-German.  But if you get beyond speech, then that means war.  Politics is war by other means.  There is no such thing as pacifism, other than as irony.

i like you a lot.  You don't annoy me at all.  Don't conflate me with other people, please.  Pr126 and Munch are atheists, I am not.  Munch is gay, I am not.  But my empathy extends to people different from myself, provided they not put a knife to my throat and make dire threats.  Otherwise I would treat you like any other Nazi or Stalinist.


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Offline Baruch

Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
« Reply #88 on: October 21, 2018, 07:06:53 PM »
Sorry, it isn't up to you or me to determine who is evil.  That is G-d's job.  And maybe not even then, since anti-hero and lovable villain categories make this very hard work.
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Re: The LEFT's beef with white people EXPLAINED
« Reply #89 on: October 21, 2018, 08:02:59 PM »
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That's what you believe.

No. A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. That's why we're atheists, but you seem to apply different standards when it comes to your politics. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim, not on the person rejecting it. If you really expect me to believe that millions of votes for Hillary came from illegal immigrants and dead people, you're going to have to provide some strong evidence.
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