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Offline Munch

Wonder woman and the amazon hypocrisy.
« on: September 25, 2018, 01:40:39 PM »
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Interesting analysis of the problem with the amazons. As someone who read justice league comics, a few wonder woman comics, and watched the justice league unlimited show, wonder woman/Diana is a good character, in just about any incarnation of her, she's a strong female role model, without being someone who forces it in an ultra feminist agenda. And what they seems to come down to is just how her situation works.
She was raised by her mother and other amazons around her, so taught that 'men are savage and evil', despite the amazons themselves being warriors who's warfare is several thousand years out of date. But when she spent time with heroes like batman, superman, the other justice league and steve trevor, she learned that men aren't all bad, and can be trusted.

This is what makes her above her own kin because she rose above their backwards beliefs, lived in the real world instead of in a bubble of hatred.

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This is what I like about wonder woman/diana, infact it might be the result of such things. The amazons represent the worst kind of female empowerment, where they hate men because their men, where its okay to abuse, rape and kill men, and abandon children if their boys, just because they have a seething hatred for men. Diana however, as a strong female figure, has risen above that way of thinking, see the worst in her own people including her mother, she tries to show love and devotion to the people she swears to protect above the amazons ways.

This to me presents an interesting take on proper feminism. If you want a powerful and relatable female lead, it can be done so she isn't a man hating monster, and even shows the contrasts in those who are, and how not to be like them.

This is why why in terms of character I enjoy wonder woman more then a lot of the 'Imma powerful Woman!' characters forced, because unlike them, she doesn't need to shout about it, she shows it.
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Offline GSOgymrat

Re: Wonder woman and the amazon hypocrisy.
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2018, 02:51:03 PM »
When it comes to fictional feminist/gay icons, mine was Jamie Sommers, the Bionic Woman. I wasn't the only gay kid of the 70's who identified with these women. Gay writer/leather bear Andy Mangels brought them together in a comic series.



When I was eleven years old, Jaime Sommers was a fictional role model. She was super strong and fast, she kicked ass, but she wasn't aggressive. Unlike most male superheroes, she was warm, cared about people and had no problem expressing a range of emotions. Her defining characteristic was her humanity rather than her bionics. In terms of feminism, people underestimated her because she was an attractive woman but that didn't make her resentful, she simply demonstrated her ability. She also lived in a fabulous loft apartment over a barn, had a bionic dog, lived a life of adventure and dated an astronaut-- so there's that.

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Although I didn't take my geek hero worship quite as far as Bill.

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Online Baruch

Re: Wonder woman and the amazon hypocrisy.
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2018, 06:58:59 PM »
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Tomyris was a real life Amazon queen to destroyed the Persian army and killed their first emperor, Cyrus.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Wonder woman and the amazon hypocrisy.
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2018, 04:35:24 PM »
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Tomyris was a real life Amazon queen to destroyed the Persian army and killed their first emperor, Cyrus.

I know mythology.  But it instructive that The Queen spared only her own father.  Real psychology in there.
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Re: Wonder woman and the amazon hypocrisy.
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2018, 10:42:32 PM »
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I know mythology.  But it instructive that The Queen spared only her own father.  Real psychology in there.

Lucky for fathers with powerful daughters ;-)
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Wonder woman and the amazon hypocrisy.
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2018, 05:35:36 AM »
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Lucky for fathers with powerful daughters ;-)

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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Wonder woman and the amazon hypocrisy.
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2018, 12:37:23 PM »
The new wonderwoman is a very forced character. The motivation is not the feminist agenda, it is the huge money to be made from the last years of social media gender wars bullshit.

The hpocrisy is that they used historical myths to create a female superhero to 'justify' her super powers to begin with. Considering she is 77 years old, probably they thought it would make more sense a female character having super powers in those days. And the fan base has always been male anyway. In short, hypocrisy is making her an amazon, instead of exploding a lab in the first place.

A superhero does not need to have a bad or good opinon about a gender to be realistic from a popular feminist or anti-feminist agenda. Then again, while you can say that as a strong female character she is a symbol for feminism (you can write a lot of lines for her), from anti-feminist perspective you can produce a lot of popular arguments that she likes those other men (superheroes) because they are blue pill guys. Because they are all white knights; all superheros are white knights by definition.

 

Offline Mr.Obvious

Re: Wonder woman and the amazon hypocrisy.
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2018, 03:03:57 PM »
Except for Batman.

He's The dark knight.
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: Wonder woman and the amazon hypocrisy.
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2018, 03:07:15 PM »
Pfffft, he is still a white night. :p 


Re: Wonder woman and the amazon hypocrisy.
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2018, 03:51:42 PM »
Was Batman a dark and stormy Knight?
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Offline Munch

Re: Wonder woman and the amazon hypocrisy.
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2018, 04:03:13 PM »
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Was Batman a dark and stormy Knight?

This is a stormy knight.



And this is a nighty knight.


 

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