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Offline Baruch

Re: Black Superman..
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2018, 07:54:46 PM »
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see this what you said is honestly brilliant and right on point.

It isn't just an easy case of making superman black, because a black man growing up in american, raised by white parents, would create a completely different backstory for him to the one clark kent has. You would need to develop a story like that heavily first, because you know, we've had tv shows of showing clark kent growing up and learning about his powers and his place in the world, but throwing in a race change, and acting like it would be exactly the same thing, is just lazy writing.

I imagine they could make a graphic novel about something like that, after all, they made superman red sun, an alternative timeline where he fell in russia, not the US, and developed into a completely different person because of it. That as a stand alone story however.

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How about the non-canon where Superman is British ;-)

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Yeah, there is a Black version where his secret identity is President of the US (aka Barak Obama).
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Re: Black Superman..
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2018, 09:01:54 PM »
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Speaking of Domino and actors whose race is inconsistent with the source material, I thought Zazie Beetz did a great job in Deadpool 2.

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Really in something like this a character like domino, unlike say wolverine, superman, hulk, spiderman, she's always been a lesser known character with little coverage. This gives more of an opening for a character like her to have someone who isn't of the original characters ethnicity like in the comics, as long as you had a good actress playing the part.

I'd say the same applies to a character like Heimdall, Baron Mordo and Valkyrie, there less center stage to main players like thor or dr strange, so it isn't as integral as getting someone to hit the mark for a main character like mentioned.
I would argue the same point for someone picked to play the role for Luke Cage, if you had a white guy playing Luke Cage, I'd be like.. wtf? You can't do that. Same with Storm, you can't have a white girl playing the role of an african goddess, because they are very much integral to their characters.


Offline Sal1981

Re: Black Superman..
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2018, 09:22:10 PM »
Idc about the ethnicity of the actors, I care more about how solid the story is. DC movies bottom out in that department. Only recent DC movie that has stood out for me was Man of Steel (2013), don't get why Wonder Woman (2017) got the praise it got because it seemed to me as a pretty bland origin story. I guess people have different tastes, is all. For instance I think the movie Transcendence (2014) with Johnny Depp was sublime, but it bombed at rotten tomatoes. I've watched some reviews of that movie, and it seemed like people didn't really get the story or the deeper themes glanced over their collective heads.

Someone that rated Transcendence 4Β½ stars:
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While I think the movie Ex Machina, with a corny "prisoner in a cabin in the woods" story got so much unrewarded praise that I'm baffled at its score at rotten tomatoes and reading some of the reviews from both critics and audience just verifies my view that people don't get the stupid story. One critic even mentioned its gender? It's a fucking robot, you moron.
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Re: Black Superman..
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2018, 10:17:02 PM »
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Can you name 3 comic book characters?

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My three favs are Red Ryder; Scrooge McDuck (who doesn't like the Beagle Boys???); and Baby Huey.  A black Red Ryder would work, but I think Little Beaver would have to stay American Indian.
I suppose Scrooge could work as a mallard or a mud hen--and who knows exactly what Baby Huey is.
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Re: Black Superman..
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2018, 12:00:11 AM »
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I wouldn't object to making Superman black (after all, Krypton has an equator, too) if they used the fact that now he looks like a minority and would be treated as such to give an interesting take on the Man of Steel. How would the (white) Kents raise their black alien son? Let's face it, in that situation it's going to be obvious he is adopted, which might raise… questions.
A white family adopts an black baby they found in the Kansas countryside in the 1940s?  Hell yes that raises questions!  It'd be scandalous.  Clark would probably get bullied, if not worse.  And the Kents would be lucky if they weren't completely ostracized.

Re: Black Superman..
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2018, 01:43:01 AM »
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A white family adopts an black baby they found in the Kansas countryside in the 1940s?  Hell yes that raises questions!  It'd be scandalous.  Clark would probably get bullied, if not worse.  And the Kents would be lucky if they weren't completely ostracized.
Or what if a black family finds and adopts a white baby in Kansas in the 40's?  Would that raise questions or be scandalous?  Would it be like the Jerk?  Or Moses??
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Offline Baruch

Re: Black Superman..
« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2018, 05:44:58 AM »
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A white family adopts an black baby they found in the Kansas countryside in the 1940s?  Hell yes that raises questions!  It'd be scandalous.  Clark would probably get bullied, if not worse.  And the Kents would be lucky if they weren't completely ostracized.

Once you open the narrative to parallel multiple universes (as the comics did with multiple versions of the same superheroes) there is no going back.  It is super chaos.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Black Superman..
« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2018, 05:48:34 AM »
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A white family adopts an black baby they found in the Kansas countryside in the 1940s?  Hell yes that raises questions!  It'd be scandalous.  Clark would probably get bullied, if not worse.  And the Kents would be lucky if they weren't completely ostracized.

Same idea, but in the parallel universe where the Confederacy wins the US Civil War?  Django Unchained with super powers!!  Liberals would make messes in their panties.
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Re: Black Superman..
« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2018, 10:21:46 AM »
Rebooting the movies to have a black Superman isn't going to stop them from being shit. The Marvel movies started out pretty shit as well; what changed that was hiring on better writers and directors.

You want a black Superman, fine. You want it to be better than the garbage white version? Put fuckin' J.J. Abrams in the director's chair with a screenplay by Nicholas Meyer. That'll be a good fucking movie.
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« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2018, 12:35:23 PM »
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Same idea, but in the parallel universe where the Confederacy wins the US Civil War?  Django Unchained with super powers!!  Liberals would make messes in their panties.
Harry Turtledove has a bunch of alternative histories--including the Civil War and WWII.  Alternative history novels are not at all rare; and they don't have the effect on me that you claim they would.
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Offline the_antithesis

Re: Black Superman..
« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2018, 12:47:40 PM »
I think it has less to do with SJWs or any of that bullshit and more to do with "this character isn't making us any money. How can we get it to make us money?" It's like that documentary I saw on professional wrestling that briefly outlined the way they develop a character for a performer to see if people respond and then change it until they find something that works. I recently watched a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login on this topic that stated that Superman is popular with African Americans. I don't know if that's true, but if it is, then a black Superman is just taking the character to the audience that actually appreciates it.

Personally, I do not care so long as the movie is good.

That's not true. I don't even care if the movie is good. I'm one of those super stickler comic nerds who hates, hates, hates the way real people look in those silly outfits and thinks that super heroes should only ever be drawn. Which is why I've skipped most of these movies. I do like the Guardian of the Galaxy film. Pity about the third one. I saw Batman v Superman just to see the dumpster fire, and was disappointed in it as a shitty movie. I saw Deadpool, that was okay. I'm planning to see Shazam because I have a long-running love for the character for no good reason. I may watch Aquaman because that will either be epic or a dumpster fire on an oil rig. And that's about it. Didn't see Wonder Woman. Didn't see Black Panther. Didn't see Infinity War. Do not give a shit. I am puzzled to death why anyone else does. It may be that when they saw the Dark Knight trilogy or the Raimi Spider-Man movies they actually like them. I didn't. So I learned that these movies aren't for me and it's okay if they exist for those whom they are for. But I don't have to go see them, either. Kind of like gay porn. I recommend this mind set. It solves so many of life's little problems.

Offline Baruch

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« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2018, 12:53:30 PM »
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Harry Turtledove has a bunch of alternative histories--including the Civil War and WWII.  Alternative history novels are not at all rare; and they don't have the effect on me that you claim they would.

How about the one by Newt Gingrich where the South wins the Civil War.  Triggered yet?

I find this series creative, yes it involves inexplicable time travel, but don't have time for it yet ...

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Offline SGOS

Re: Black Superman..
« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2018, 02:19:30 PM »
I liked Henry Cavill as Superman.  I thought he was the best one yet.  I'm not sure a black Superman is going to help DC change their luck.  A better idea might be to introduce an entirely new Black Superhero of equal stature, and utilize the black culture that already exists to help define him.  There could be some interesting origin story scenarios that are potentially inspiring and compelling.

Offline Baruch

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« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2018, 07:16:45 PM »
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I liked Henry Cavill as Superman.  I thought he was the best one yet.  I'm not sure a black Superman is going to help DC change their luck.  A better idea might be to introduce an entirely new Black Superhero of equal stature, and utilize the black culture that already exists to help define him.  There could be some interesting origin story scenarios that are potentially inspiring and compelling.

Wakanda wasn't good enough ;-)
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Offline Shiranu

Re: Black Superman..
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2018, 11:52:05 PM »
Imagine it being 2018, and you think Superman potentially being black means your race is on the verge of annihilation and all hope is lost.

What a time to be alive.
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