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Offline Baruch

Re: McCain
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2018, 02:04:37 PM »
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He was a typical Sophist from 5th century Athens.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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Online Shiranu

Re: McCain
« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2018, 06:13:50 PM »
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Offline Hydra009

Re: McCain
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2018, 07:14:46 PM »
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At best, McCain was a frienemy --not a real friend to my way of thinking.  Did not like his take on almost anything.
No kidding.  His VP pick alone...sheesh.  He opposed raising the minimum wage, opposed tax credits for renewables, opposed net neutrality, etc.

But at least he wasn't pro-torture (which makes sense given his background), understood the threat of climate change, and didn't have a public freakout about transgender people in the military.  That's something.  Not a lot, but something.

Offline Cavebear

Re: McCain
« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2018, 10:35:50 PM »
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No kidding.  His VP pick alone...sheesh.  He opposed raising the minimum wage, opposed tax credits for renewables, opposed net neutrality, etc.

But at least he wasn't pro-torture (which makes sense given his background), understood the threat of climate change, and didn't have a public freakout about transgender people in the military.  That's something.  Not a lot, but something.

If all Senators were thoughtful and willing to cross party lines sometimes like Mc Cain, we wouldn't be in the situation we are in today. 

Sure, I disagreed with him usually; he was a conservative.  But he wasn't a "damn-reality-conservative" like too many are now, "better Russian than Dem", or "circle the wagons around even our craziest member" party fanatic.
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Re: McCain
« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2018, 06:23:24 AM »
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Baruch never has a "point".  He just likes to make jokes and create chaos.  A true troll.
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Offline Baruch

Re: McCain
« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2018, 08:51:28 AM »
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Great is the power of ignore. Now if everybody who was tired of his shit...

Go chip paint on some ship, while hanging from the bosun's chair ;-)  So which psychopathic profile are you ...
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Offline Draconic Aiur

Re: McCain
« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2018, 09:02:20 PM »
Too bad his vp was Sarah fucking Palin. That broad was crazy.

Offline Baruch

Re: McCain
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2018, 04:18:56 AM »
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Too bad his vp was Sarah fucking Palin. That broad was crazy.

Yes.  Definitely a RINO plot.  I could have voted for him in 2000 (but he was screwed by the Bush CIA machine).  He was senile by 2008.
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Offline pr126

Re: McCain
« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2018, 04:38:04 AM »
i don’t think it mattered who was the running mate to McCain. HRC didn’t get in either.

Obama’s presidency was a done thing even before the voting began. Methinks.

OK, the salesmanship (read propaganda)  helped.

I hear that lots of dead people voted as well. Nothing wrong with that.
Dead people still have voting rights in the US. Voting by proxy.

“Undocumented Aliens” can vote too, but only if they vote Democrat.




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Offline SGOS

Re: McCain
« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2018, 05:21:26 AM »
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i don’t think it mattered who was the running mate to McCain. HRC didn’t get in either.

Obama’s presidency was a done thing even before the voting began. Methinks.

OK, the salesmanship (read propaganda)  helped.

I hear that lots of dead people voted as well. Nothing wrong with that.
Dead people still have voting rights in the US. Voting by proxy.
My sense is that Obama's popularity came from being relatively new to politics and mostly unknown.  As a result he wasn't carrying the amount of baggage that burdened Hillary.  Just being in politics earns you enemies.  The longer you are in the game, the more enemies you accumulate. 

After the Bush Administration's shenanigans in Iraq, the Republican Party had established itself as the war party, and Americans were war weary.  Arguments can be made that both parties are the war parties, but Americans (or maybe humans in general) don't tend to think long term and tend to hold responsible whoever has been in control of the government in the last 2 weeks for whatever pisses  them off, and Hillary had established herself as a supporter of the Iraq War.  This may have been the most politically correct expedient in New York for two years after 9-11 when the terrorists had unleashed the most devastating carnage in America's most important city.  Those "liberal" Northeasterners were pissed about it and perhaps even more hysterical than the rest of the country.

But Hillary, or even Joe Schmo down the street, would have won the presidency if Obama had not showed up just because the Republican brand name had faired so badly under Bush.  Eight years later, and a couple of major miscalculations by Obama, the Democrats were no longer able to field just anyone and be guaranteed a win.

I don't believe a presidential candidate chooses his running mate.  I may be wrong, but I suspect that's done in the back rooms of party headquarters.  I don't think Sara Palin was McCain's choice to make.  She was put there to appeal to the religious right, although there may be other reasons that don't make sense.  Had McCain been handed a more level headed and respected running mate, I still don't think he could have beaten any Democratic candidate in that year.  And even had the Republicans chosen a better presidential candidate, I don't think they could have won that year.

Offline SGOS

Re: McCain
« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2018, 06:54:11 AM »
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Obama’s presidency was a done thing even before the voting began. Methinks.
I hear that lots of dead people voted as well.
The voting dead is nothing new in politics, but I don't actually know how prevalent it is.

Offline Baruch

Re: McCain
« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2018, 06:55:30 AM »
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i don’t think it mattered who was the running mate to McCain. HRC didn’t get in either.

Obama’s presidency was a done thing even before the voting began. Methinks.

OK, the salesmanship (read propaganda)  helped.

I hear that lots of dead people voted as well. Nothing wrong with that.
Dead people still have voting rights in the US. Voting by proxy.

“Undocumented Aliens” can vote too, but only if they vote Democrat.

Chicago makes a regular habit of dead people voting.
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Offline SGOS

Re: McCain
« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2018, 09:11:46 AM »
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Re: McCain
« Reply #43 on: September 04, 2018, 10:25:57 AM »
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The voting dead is nothing new in politics, but I don't actually know how prevalent it is.
The hard right has tried for years to prove voter fraud as a route to disenfranchisement for low-income and ethnic voters. They haven't had any significant discoveries.
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Offline trdsf

Re: McCain
« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2018, 11:08:59 AM »
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I don't believe a presidential candidate chooses his running mate.  I may be wrong, but I suspect that's done in the back rooms of party headquarters.  I don't think Sara Palin was McCain's choice to make.  She was put there to appeal to the religious right, although there may be other reasons that don't make sense.  Had McCain been handed a more level headed and respected running mate, I still don't think he could have beaten any Democratic candidate in that year.  And even had the Republicans chosen a better presidential candidate, I don't think they could have won that year.
Palin was more or less foisted upon McCain, who had wanted Joe Lieberman as his running mate, but the party powers that be demanded he shore up his right flank and stuck him with a wingnut.  He later called picking her a mistake and a regret, and I'm sure you can imagine Caribou Barbie's reaction to that.
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