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Offline SGOS

Re: Muhammad, prophet or pretender
« Reply #60 on: August 23, 2018, 10:57:08 AM »
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Logic is fine, but it only proves logic.  As a fish demonstrates the existence of fishiness.
It stands to reason that any commoner practicing philosophy or theism from an armchair while watching the Simpsons is going to abhor logic.  Logic is a monkey wrench to idle musings, dream states, and armchair  philosophy.


Re: Muhammad, prophet or pretender
« Reply #61 on: August 23, 2018, 10:59:48 AM »
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It stands to reason that any commoner practicing philosophy or theism from an armchair while watching the Simpsons is going to abhor logic.  Logic is a monkey wrench to idle musings, dream states, and armchair  philosophy.
Logic should be considered important to all I think.

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Offline Baruch

Re: Muhammad, prophet or pretender
« Reply #62 on: August 23, 2018, 11:48:09 AM »
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Really?  If people like this, we can move to the Philosophy section.

In other words ...

All Athenians are ardvarks
Socrates is an Athenian
Therefore Socrates is an aardvark

The problem lies with dodgy axioms.  The first one is not factual, the second one is.  The syllogism is correct.  But the conclusion is wrong.

Most people here would be interested in epistemic modal logic or alethic modal logic.  Months ago I posted material on non-Classical logic, that takes the POV that truth can't even be defined (the usual kind of truth conflated with facts, not the humanistic definition I use).
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Re: Muhammad, prophet or pretender
« Reply #63 on: August 23, 2018, 12:04:46 PM »
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Being in possession of absolute reality (ala Plato) you don't make hypotheses ;-)  Well I do feel that way about subjective physical facts (my hand for example typing this).  So I actually think you mean the same thing as I do, though perhaps extending to ideas.
I think we mean the same.  I realize there is no such thing as absolute reality.  There is my own subjective reality.  But it is not 'fixed' in that I don't think there is even an absolute reality from my own personal point of view.  But there is a working reality; if not, then all one could do would be to huddle in a chair somewhere.  My working reality allows me to function in this universe.  I treat my reality as tho it was universal for me; but I do change it as I think it necessary.  There are universal facts, such as gravity works this way on earth.  But even those facts are subject to change.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: Muhammad, prophet or pretender
« Reply #64 on: August 23, 2018, 01:18:59 PM »
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I don't 'believe' in anything.  I think evolution exists and works because I've seen the evidence that proves it to me.  Evolution is not something one has to 'believe' in; one has to 'believe' in god because there is no proof of any kind that god exists or ever existed.  As for my conscience, it is simply that part of my brain that processes my perception of what is good/bad for me, what is right/wrong for me all based on how the world impacts me.  Spirit has nothing to do with it--it is totally me. 


Quote from: Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith

Truth does not demand belief. Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, 'Yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down, down. Amen!' If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it.
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Re: Muhammad, prophet or pretender
« Reply #65 on: August 23, 2018, 03:33:27 PM »
Verily, I say unto you, Unbeliever!
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Baruch

Re: Muhammad, prophet or pretender
« Reply #66 on: August 23, 2018, 10:57:16 PM »
If it is true to you, to kill a stranger, then go right ahead.  It is about ethics, not facts.
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Offline Hydra009

Re: Muhammad, prophet or pretender
« Reply #67 on: August 24, 2018, 10:31:23 AM »
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That is very opinionated.

In my opinion
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Re: Muhammad, prophet or pretender
« Reply #68 on: August 24, 2018, 01:33:51 PM »
That really puts the pi in onion!
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Offline Baruch

Re: Muhammad, prophet or pretender
« Reply #69 on: August 24, 2018, 06:38:31 PM »
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That really puts the pi in onion!

Sophists then and now, have no integrity.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Muhammad, prophet or pretender
« Reply #70 on: August 27, 2018, 04:26:10 AM »
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I do.

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So beating a slave to death with a rod is forbidden.  What about other objects like baseball bats and closet poles?  You did say the bible should be taken literally. 
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Offline Baruch

Re: Muhammad, prophet or pretender
« Reply #71 on: August 27, 2018, 07:59:59 AM »
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So beating a slave to death with a rod is forbidden.  What about other objects like baseball bats and closet poles?  You did say the bible should be taken literally.

St Augustine said ... the reason why there is Hell is for dealing with argumentative people like that.
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