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Online Shiranu

Socrates, One of the Earliest "Cultural Marxists"?
« on: August 18, 2018, 01:43:15 AM »

He has traits of both the far-left and the far-right, and he is one of the biggest figures in the Western mythos of "Wise Men".

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Offline Hydra009

Re: Socrates, One of the Earliest "Cultural Marxists"?
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2018, 01:54:22 AM »
To American conservatives of the red-capped variety, Marxism is like George Soros - he's underneath every bed and in every closet.

Apparently, Marxism existed long before Marx and even today is still as strong as ever despite the collapse of the Soviet Union and the gradual transitioning of the few communist countries that remained to mixed economies.

In a couple years, these geniuses may even try to produce a list of 205 suspected cultural marxists working for the State Department.

Offline Atheon

Re: Socrates, One of the Earliest "Cultural Marxists"?
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2018, 01:59:11 AM »
There is, of course, no such thing as "cultural Marxism". It's just a term made up to make gullible idiots scared of people with dark skinned and who speak scary-sounding languages.
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Offline pr126

Re: Socrates, One of the Earliest "Cultural Marxists"?
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2018, 02:14:07 AM »
Actually, cultural Marxism was cooked up by dead old white men.

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Offline Baruch

Re: Socrates, One of the Earliest "Cultural Marxists"?
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2018, 02:18:36 AM »
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To American conservatives of the red-capped variety, Marxism is like George Soros - he's underneath every bed and in every closet.

Apparently, Marxism existed long before Marx and even today is still as strong as ever despite the collapse of the Soviet Union and the gradual transitioning of the few communist countries that remained to mixed economies.

In a couple years, these geniuses may even try to produce a list of 205 suspected cultural marxists working for the State Department.

Marx copied Robespierre.  The Russian Revolution was a copy of the French Revolution.

Just nuke Paris already?
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Offline Baruch

Re: Socrates, One of the Earliest "Cultural Marxists"?
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2018, 02:19:46 AM »
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There is, of course, no such thing as "cultural Marxism". It's just a term made up to make gullible idiots scared of people with dark skinned and who speak scary-sounding languages.

There is no such thing as Republicans ... just a made up term created by gullible Democrats.

Death to the Communists!  Call them what you will.  The millions they killed mostly in their home countries, call out for their blood!
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Offline pr126

Re: Socrates, One of the Earliest "Cultural Marxists"?
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2018, 02:27:15 AM »
Apparently, they don't teach history anymore in schools. Down the memory hole.


Who controls the past, controls the future. - Who controls the present controls the past. - George Orwell

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Offline Baruch

Re: Socrates, One of the Earliest "Cultural Marxists"?
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2018, 02:27:47 AM »
On the OP ... read the book by The Hemlock Cup by historian Bettany Hughes.  Over 500 pages of scholarship.  One of my favorite "feminist" historians.  Well only that because she happens to be a woman, not because the is a Leftist.  The real Athens, the real Socrates.  She did a nice video too ...

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Sparta rightly feared Athenian liberalism (Sparta being arch-conservative).

The 5th century BCE revolution ...

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Keramaicos ... a cemetery outside the Athenian walls, been there.  Ms Hughes is an atheist BTW.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Socrates, One of the Earliest "Cultural Marxists"?
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2018, 01:28:32 AM »
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There is, of course, no such thing as "cultural Marxism". It's just a term made up to make gullible idiots scared of people with dark skinned and who speak scary-sounding languages.

The term comes from German dissidents uncomfortable with existing capitalist, fascist or communist systems. Many of these theorists believed that traditional theory could not adequately explain the turbulent and unexpected development of capitalist societies in the 20th century. Critical of both capitalism and Soviet socialism, their writings pointed to the possibility of an alternative path to social development.  Note that they weren't fascist, either.

I think what they were trying to get at was "social democracy", where basic requirements such as utilities, communications, roads, schools, etc were out of the control of capitalists, but not also handed off to communistic 5-year plans and such.  Sort of betwixt and between capitalism and communism, but they hadn't developed the details of an ideology.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Socrates, One of the Earliest "Cultural Marxists"?
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2018, 06:45:29 AM »
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The term comes from German dissidents uncomfortable with existing capitalist, fascist or communist systems. Many of these theorists believed that traditional theory could not adequately explain the turbulent and unexpected development of capitalist societies in the 20th century. Critical of both capitalism and Soviet socialism, their writings pointed to the possibility of an alternative path to social development.  Note that they weren't fascist, either.

I think what they were trying to get at was "social democracy", where basic requirements such as utilities, communications, roads, schools, etc were out of the control of capitalists, but not also handed off to communistic 5-year plans and such.  Sort of betwixt and between capitalism and communism, but they hadn't developed the details of an ideology.

Euro-Communism is better than Russian Communism?  That is why we are throwing the EU under the bus.  It isn't worth defending.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Socrates, One of the Earliest "Cultural Marxists"?
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2018, 07:13:56 PM »
The ancients on lawlessness ...

“Oh where is the noble face of modesty, or the strength of virtue, now that blasphemy is in power and men have put justice behind them, and there is no law but lawlessness, and none act with fear of the gods?”

Euripides, Iphigenia in Aulis

This is what we are becoming.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Socrates, One of the Earliest "Cultural Marxists"?
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2018, 03:01:01 AM »
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The ancients on lawlessness ...

“Oh where is the noble face of modesty, or the strength of virtue, now that blasphemy is in power and men have put justice behind them, and there is no law but lawlessness, and none act with fear of the gods?”

Euripides, Iphigenia in Aulis

This is what we are becoming.

Quote from people who thought slavery was good, thought Gods created mayhem and tortured people with their power, and considered anyone who didn't speak their language were "bar-bar-ians" (as an insult) because they didn't make sense to THEM!
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Offline Baruch

Re: Socrates, One of the Earliest "Cultural Marxists"?
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2018, 04:09:01 AM »
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Quote from people who thought slavery was good, thought Gods created mayhem and tortured people with their power, and considered anyone who didn't speak their language were "bar-bar-ians" (as an insult) because they didn't make sense to THEM!

Yes, lets virtue signal ... you are Jesus ... who knew?

Do you have any other bigotries to share?
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Offline Jason Harvestdancer

Re: Socrates, One of the Earliest "Cultural Marxists"?
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2018, 08:55:24 PM »
Funny this should come up now.  I've been re-reading Plato's Socratic writings trying to discern a common theme throughout them.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Socrates, One of the Earliest "Cultural Marxists"?
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2018, 09:55:29 PM »
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Funny this should come up now.  I've been re-reading Plato's Socratic writings trying to discern a common theme throughout them.

My aren't you ambitious.  I have been re-reading The Republic and some others, these past couple years.  Don't forget Xenophon's version ... his Apology and his Symposium.  They have a contrast to the versions by Plato.
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