Author Topic: Time dilation, length contraction, Relativity and the Bible!  (Read 2390 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: Time dilation, length contraction, Relativity and the Bible!
« Reply #150 on: September 09, 2018, 10:36:11 PM »
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And what of the canals?  They fooled many for many years.

Early on, scifi ran away with the imagination.  Cyrano De Bergerac ... did the first scifi story about the Moon.  One hundred years ago, a shield against gravity was imagined, allowing a much less impactful trip to the Moon than a giant cannon in Florida.  I have visited the observatory in Flagstaff, and honored Percival Lowell's grave.  But it was his student Clyde Tombaugh, who made the real discover, Pluto.
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Offline trdsf

Re: Time dilation, length contraction, Relativity and the Bible!
« Reply #151 on: September 10, 2018, 09:27:22 PM »
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And what of the canals?  They fooled many for many years.
And the sad thing about that, is that the 'canals of Mars' thing was entirely due to mistranslation.  The astronomer Giovanni Schiaparelli described what he saw as canali, which isn't the Italian for 'canals'.  It means 'channels'.  A channel is a natural formation; a canal is not.
Sir Terry Pratchett, on being told about the theory that the universe is a computer simulation: "If we all get out and in again, would it start to work properly this time?"

Offline Cavebear

Re: Time dilation, length contraction, Relativity and the Bible!
« Reply #152 on: September 12, 2018, 05:35:48 AM »
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And the sad thing about that, is that the 'canals of Mars' thing was entirely due to mistranslation.  The astronomer Giovanni Schiaparelli described what he saw as canali, which isn't the Italian for 'canals'.  It means 'channels'.  A channel is a natural formation; a canal is not.

And even the channels weren't really there.  Those telescopes at ground level with ripples in the atmosphere were REALLY bad.  You could see anything you wanted to see.
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Re: Time dilation, length contraction, Relativity and the Bible!
« Reply #153 on: September 12, 2018, 09:02:29 AM »
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And even the channels weren't really there.  Those telescopes at ground level with ripples in the atmosphere were REALLY bad.  You could see anything you wanted to see.
Just like the bible.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Cavebear

Re: Time dilation, length contraction, Relativity and the Bible!
« Reply #154 on: September 12, 2018, 09:09:34 AM »
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Just like the bible.
Interesting.  Didn't Satan show Jesus the whole world from a mountaintop?  Obviously the world was flat back then.  Oh but wait, it isn't.  So the bible must have been corrected, right?
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Re: Time dilation, length contraction, Relativity and the Bible!
« Reply #155 on: September 12, 2018, 11:20:04 AM »
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Interesting.  Didn't Satan show Jesus the whole world from a mountaintop?  Obviously the world was flat back then.  Oh but wait, it isn't.  So the bible must have been corrected, right?
How can you correct perfection???
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Cavebear

Re: Time dilation, length contraction, Relativity and the Bible!
« Reply #156 on: September 12, 2018, 11:28:20 AM »
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How can you correct perfection???

Logic and thought and study.  And little things in the religious texts.  Like pi is not exactly 3.  The Earth is not flat.  There is no deity.  For theists, one small step at a time.  ;)
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Offline trdsf

Re: Time dilation, length contraction, Relativity and the Bible!
« Reply #157 on: September 12, 2018, 12:40:23 PM »
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And even the channels weren't really there.  Those telescopes at ground level with ripples in the atmosphere were REALLY bad.  You could see anything you wanted to see.
Well, it's possible that at the very least, the spokes and lines he recorded on Venus were a real observation...  but that You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login, because he had his telescope stopped down so far.  It's possible — and I suspect probable — that the Martian lines have a similar source, especially coupled with the apparent changes in the face of Mars due to its own weather... and of course Lowell's own wishful thinking.
Sir Terry Pratchett, on being told about the theory that the universe is a computer simulation: "If we all get out and in again, would it start to work properly this time?"

Offline Baruch

Re: Time dilation, length contraction, Relativity and the Bible!
« Reply #158 on: September 12, 2018, 12:59:25 PM »
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Logic and thought and study.  And little things in the religious texts.  Like pi is not exactly 3.  The Earth is not flat.  There is no deity.  For theists, one small step at a time.  ;)

And America, nor any other place, is the Promised Land, nor with there ever  be utopia, no matter how much scifi you read.
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Re: Time dilation, length contraction, Relativity and the Bible!
« Reply #159 on: September 12, 2018, 02:44:20 PM »
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Logic and thought and study.  And little things in the religious texts.  Like pi is not exactly 3.  The Earth is not flat.  There is no deity.  For theists, one small step at a time.  ;)
Cavebear, I was being factious.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Cavebear

Re: Time dilation, length contraction, Relativity and the Bible!
« Reply #160 on: September 12, 2018, 02:59:12 PM »
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Well, it's possible that at the very least, the spokes and lines he recorded on Venus were a real observation... 

No way.  Venus was an opaque blank.  As Sagan said in Cosmos (here I go again with Sagan), earlier astronomers looked at Venus and just saw clouds.  Well, what are clouds?  Clouds are water.  So Venus must be all swamp.  What grows in swamps?  Ferns.  What eats ferns?  Dinosaurs.  Observation: you couldn't see anything on Venus.  Conclusion?  Dinosaurs!

LOL!
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