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Offline Baruch

More on how Russia worked with the US ...
« on: August 03, 2018, 07:56:59 PM »
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A more complete analysis than I have seen before, regarding how the Russian fleet helped keep Queen Victoria from siding with the Confederacy.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: More on how Russia worked with the US ...
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2018, 12:49:31 PM »
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A more complete analysis than I have seen before, regarding how the Russian fleet helped keep Queen Victoria from siding with the Confederacy.

The US needed a lot of "ignoring the Southern rebels" in the Civil War.  Many people think that the Enamancipation Proclamation accomplished that, but I think the large Northern armies and the small Monitors (upscalable) had more to do with it.  And in fact, the Federal forces had so many excess soldiers near the end of the war, Lincoln had to keep them trained by massacring Native American Indians. 
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Offline Baruch

Re: More on how Russia worked with the US ...
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2018, 01:58:33 PM »
Correct ... the river Monitors were crucial.  And the Union was working on a submarine in NYC harbor, but the self destruction of the Hunley made it unnecessary.  The Hunley being the Confederate submarine in Charlestown harbor, that did take out a Union blockade ship, but never made it back to its berth.  I am thinking the torpedo detonation at the end of the spar was too close for comfort (they didn't have free running torpedoes yet).
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Offline Cavebear

Re: More on how Russia worked with the US ...
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2018, 03:50:24 PM »
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Correct ... the river Monitors were crucial.  And the Union was working on a submarine in NYC harbor, but the self destruction of the Hunley made it unnecessary.  The Hunley being the Confederate submarine in Charlestown harbor, that did take out a Union blockade ship, but never made it back to its berth.  I am thinking the torpedo detonation at the end of the spar was too close for comfort (they didn't have free running torpedoes yet).

I've often thought that the turtles needed better glue.  Like in the "but wait there's more" kind of ads.  "Stick it and leave" would have worked.
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Offline Baruch

Re: More on how Russia worked with the US ...
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2018, 12:28:20 AM »
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I've often thought that the turtles needed better glue.  Like in the "but wait there's more" kind of ads.  "Stick it and leave" would have worked.

Limpet mines weren't invented until WW II, and had to be delivered by divers.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: More on how Russia worked with the US ...
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2018, 06:19:54 AM »
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Limpet mines weren't invented until WW II, and had to be delivered by divers.

Limpet mines are magnetic.  The original "torpedoes" were stuck on or screwed in wooden ships, in earlier days, and didn't work very well.  The terrible "turtles" couldn't maneuver away very easily. 
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Offline Baruch

Re: More on how Russia worked with the US ...
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2018, 06:51:26 AM »
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Limpet mines are magnetic.  The original "torpedoes" were stuck on or screwed in wooden ships, in earlier days, and didn't work very well.  The terrible "turtles" couldn't maneuver away very easily.

Wooden ships had wooden bottoms (defeated the Revolutionary War sub .. Nautilus).  Or they had copper sheeting, to keep out the worms.  Magnetic mines wouldn't have worked until later 19th century, when iron hulls came into use.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: More on how Russia worked with the US ...
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2018, 07:35:35 AM »
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Wooden ships had wooden bottoms (defeated the Revolutionary War sub .. Nautilus).  Or they had copper sheeting, to keep out the worms.  Magnetic mines wouldn't have worked until later 19th century, when iron hulls came into use.

Hint...  My point exactly.  Caught on did you?  The original turtle torpedoes were mines stuck to wooden ship bottoms from long poles.  And no, they didn't work.  But it was a start.
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