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Offline Shiranu

China's Growing Influence in Africa
« on: August 01, 2018, 11:03:17 AM »

Shout out to the people who say I only am against "white" colonialism.

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It's been fun, Pax Americana.


China realises the value of having allies across the world and is pumping out billions of dollars in public works and loans to buy friends, like the U.S. did after WW2. Meanwhile we are tearing our alliances apart, between the U.S. and the U.K. distancing themselves from their allies or outright trying to turn them into enemies and destabilizing NATO and the EU.


Be careful what you wish for, I suppose... I wonder how much these people who seem to hate Western culture so much that they want to tear it apart will enjoy being subservient to Eastern culture. If the Chinese are anything like we were to their puppet and factory states, I'm guessing it won't be pretty.



Though unlike the old fucks who have spearheaded tearing our society apart by voting in regressive, isolationist candidates... I will actually have to live with consequences. I realise that's life, but I don't think the inevitability of it means I cant tell those people to go fuck themselves.
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Offline Sal1981

Re: China's Growing Influence in Africa
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2018, 11:23:51 AM »
Are the American ideals so lofty to begin with?
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Offline Baruch

Re: China's Growing Influence in Africa
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2018, 01:04:04 PM »
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Are the American ideals so lofty to begin with?

No.  Let the US fuck you, don't let the Russians or Chinese fuck you.  Also let our European friends fuck you.  That is only lofty if you are with the Mile High Private Jet Sex Club with Bill Clinton and his closest friends.

The Chinese have been very active in Africa for over 50 years (and even earlier to Huang Ho).  Their influence started with the Cultural Revolution period.  But only in non-Muslim Africa ;-)  China needs to buy up every natural resource on the planet, and develop it in place, and get the output sent to China, to supply the needs of their large population.  Either that or India will get it.
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Re: China's Growing Influence in Africa
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2018, 03:44:29 PM »
I literally made an an essay about this:

European and United States did more damage then helped Sub-Sahara Africa. Through colonization, slave trade, and investments re mainly for their own benefit which like a vampire sucked Sub-Sahara Africa dry. Even in modern day setting Europe and the USA have tried to revamp  Sub-Sahara Africa  but mostly with political and social change which seems less attractive to Sub-Sahara Africa. China on the other hand promotes the economy of  Sub-Sahara Africa with jobs and circulating money seems better to the society of Sub-Sahara Africa. China’s policy is to help build Sub-Sahara Africa’s infrastructure with the possibility of having their resources mined because according to an article I found online, Sub-Sahara Africa specifically Congo’s resources are worth β€œ24 trillion dollars.” That could boost both China and Congo’s economy as well as Sub-Sahara Africa’s. The reason why China is doing better than the USA and European modernly because they are giving Sub-Sahara Africa people living essentials: jobs, better economy, better quality life than the slums. My opinion is that while crated jobs and making the economy better is good social and political reform is needed for a better society. So I’m more medium when decided who is right.

"How China is building the future in sub-Saharan Africa – and why the US needs to rethink its approach." South China Morning Post. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login. Accessed August 1, 2018.

Offline Shiranu

Re: China's Growing Influence in Africa
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2018, 05:30:07 PM »
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Are the American ideals so lofty to begin with?

I would like to think that American colonialism at least can be curbed and "fixed" thanks to the democratic nature of our government vs the more autocratic regime of Xi Jinping, but I am not overly optimistic about that anymore. Besides becoming an oligarchy to evil corporate interests with lobbying and acts like Citizens United, we are apparently becoming an oligarchy where Russian interests have a more significant voice in our politics than the American people as well.

I cant even judge China for supporting dictators (which is the go to reason why people say it's terrible that China is expanding into Africa) because that is literally just taking a page out of our playbook for the last 75 or so years. And I do believe that a good autocrat is better than a bad democracy (or oligarchy), so while China's system is not so great now... who knows what direction it could go? Democracy is not inherently good, nor autocracy inherently bad. In 50 years, China could be the moral lighthouse for the world and the United States might be... well, whatever we are becoming.

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Offline Baruch

Re: China's Growing Influence in Africa
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2018, 07:19:22 PM »
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I would like to think that American colonialism at least can be curbed and "fixed" thanks to the democratic nature of our government vs the more autocratic regime of Xi Jinping, but I am not overly optimistic about that anymore. Besides becoming an oligarchy to evil corporate interests with lobbying and acts like Citizens United, we are apparently becoming an oligarchy where Russian interests have a more significant voice in our politics than the American people as well.

I cant even judge China for supporting dictators (which is the go to reason why people say it's terrible that China is expanding into Africa) because that is literally just taking a page out of our playbook for the last 75 or so years. And I do believe that a good autocrat is better than a bad democracy (or oligarchy), so while China's system is not so great now... who knows what direction it could go? Democracy is not inherently good, nor autocracy inherently bad. In 50 years, China could be the moral lighthouse for the world and the United States might be... well, whatever we are becoming.

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Re: China's Growing Influence in Africa
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2018, 02:03:54 AM »
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The US invented the Church of Satan ... in San Fran.  We are sooooo virtuous.

To be fair Satanism is not what it's cracked up to be. I visited and became a member of a satanism forum and had many discussions and research on Satanism. More often that none many satanists are LaVeyan Satanists, those whom don't believe in ANY gods and do't worship the actual Satan but an ideology like it. It's Ironic because it's very Christian like.

Re: China's Growing Influence in Africa
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2018, 04:53:34 AM »
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I literally made an an essay about this:

European and United States did more damage then helped Sub-Sahara Africa. Through colonization, slave trade, and investments re mainly for their own benefit which like a vampire sucked Sub-Sahara Africa dry. Even in modern day setting Europe and the USA have tried to revamp  Sub-Sahara Africa  but mostly with political and social change which seems less attractive to Sub-Sahara Africa. China on the other hand promotes the economy of  Sub-Sahara Africa with jobs and circulating money seems better to the society of Sub-Sahara Africa. China’s policy is to help build Sub-Sahara Africa’s infrastructure with the possibility of having their resources mined because according to an article I found online, Sub-Sahara Africa specifically Congo’s resources are worth β€œ24 trillion dollars.” That could boost both China and Congo’s economy as well as Sub-Sahara Africa’s. The reason why China is doing better than the USA and European modernly because they are giving Sub-Sahara Africa people living essentials: jobs, better economy, better quality life than the slums. My opinion is that while crated jobs and making the economy better is good social and political reform is needed for a better society. So I’m more medium when decided who is right.

"How China is building the future in sub-Saharan Africa – and why the US needs to rethink its approach." South China Morning Post. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login. Accessed August 1, 2018.
And I live in Africa.
Lets see...
China supported all the Dictators in Africa when they, the black leaders, destroyed their countries.
They then gave them loans to "Help" to survive, which in a totally destroyed socialist country means, they cant pay back the money.
China then take over the mine, electrical company, farming, industry and create Jobs.

Who gets the jobs?
30% of all these companies, or state owned institutions must have Chinese employment.
Guess who will now get the money?

Then comes the spineless liberals in the US, and they "help" these countries with hospitalization, medicine, and money to support this vicious cycle!

In South Africa the ANC Government, which is socialist communist, pushed out every intellectual white manager and replaced them with uneducated Black socialists by deliberate racism.
They called this BEE, Black Economic Empowerment.
They claimed that the country needs laws to ensure that there are equal rights in businuss for all races.
Over 25 years the ANC Government could achieve 300 000 job opportunities. (well 2 million, but 1.7 million jobs was lost in the private sector)
Guess where it was created?
In government positions.
The government jobs are now the biggest employer with incapable people not knowing what they have to do.

First thing that broke down was the municipalities.
All the money allocated for housing, infrastructure, roads, hospitals etc. was simply lost by false contracts and unauthorized payments.
At this stage, only 5% of all municipalities achieve some degree of an audit with reasonable accountability.
All the other are totally dysfunctional and billions of dollars lost in corruption.

Then followed the great Government institutions to its demise.
Escom, the electrical supplier of SA, built 3 Power plants for an amount of 100 billion Rand, About 10 Billion dollars at that time, and the total cost ran up to 1400 billion Rand. Now 100 billion dolars.
The result, due to inferior engineering only 60% delivery capacity can be achieved.
This government institution employed 3 times the amount of people needed to run the company, and can today, including the new plants, deliver only 70% of what the previous government could achieve at 36% of the cost.
Every year they get about 15 billion dollars from the Government on the claim that they cant make a profit.Every year they get it.

Every year they increase the electrical bill with 25% to the consumer, now the 6th year.
Now they started to borrow from the Chinese.
They have to reduce the headcount by 50% and employ about 1200 Chinese.

Good, so far the Socialists destroyed the following.
the National budget for more than 12 years.
The Municipalities. All bankrupt.
Infrastructure.
Railway company and system.
SAA, Govt airline. Totally bankrupt.
Universities, school system is now equal to 3rd world status.
Post office
Water and sewerage systems, the worst contaminated water in Africa, and propaganda will tell you how clean the water in SA is, but people are dying from diarrhea, and other water infestations.sewerage systems are now non existent and water recovery plants do not even have operational pumps resulting in Sewer flooding the premises in more than 500 plants and it is simply released into the rivers.
Roads are changed into sand by removing the pieces of tarmac making it safer than travelling through potholes.
Lets look at the police force.
7 times more police than 15 years ago, and no one works.
Top ranking officers are found guilty of armed robberies, lower ranks are many times found guilty of theft, house break ins, rape, murder etc.

My brother was hi jacked, and when he reported it to the police, the offender was the captain on the other side of the counter.
People, especially white farmers, are attacked to be brutally tortured with clothes irons, to be disemboweled when still alive, or shot for no reason at all.

The Government gets its votes by giving government grants to the poor. They do not have the capability to create jobs, or to create confidence in the country to gain investors to start companies, but speak about Nationalizing every thing.

The final straw is the land grab by the ANC government from whites now constitutionally enforced to allow expropriation without compensation.

Guess against who this law is made?
Whites with bonds, who bought their properties and paid with hard work over years.

Good, China knows that SA is the next cow to dry out.
And the US who can change the situation for the better of the whole continent of Africa, are anchored by Liberal socialists who want to send America into the drain with the exact rubbish Africa did.
Free education, hospitals, grants, open borders, etc.

In stead, force the African leaders to practice Democracy, eliminate socialism, arresting dictators and despots, stopping nationalization of companies and property, and forcing these lazy damn socialists to lift their arses to go and work for a change.

This is how you fight Chinese imperialism, get rid of these stupid black idiots who poses as leaders of African countries that are treated as intellectuals in the west!
Replace them with Black men that have the capability to nurture the economy.
They do exist, seek them and support them, and boicot and sanction fools such as Mugabe, Zimbabwe.
Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo, President of Equatorial Guinea
JosΓ© Eduardo dos Santos, President of Angola
Omar Al-Bashir, President of Sudan

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Re: China's Growing Influence in Africa
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2018, 06:20:41 AM »
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In stead of forcing the African leaders to practice Democracy, eliminate socialism, arresting dictators and despots, stopping nationalization of companies and property, and forcing these lazy damn socialists to lift their arses to go and work for a change.

Taking out the dictators and socialism cannot be done so easily. When dealing with absurd practices of government and dictators its best up to the public who have their own ways and look at foreign country's help as toxic when trying to give social and government reform. An example of this would be the Joseph Rao Kony 2012 incident in which Americans tried to help reform the government to stop child soldiers from being produced and to arrest Kony. But Lo and behold the citizens told these Americans "this our problem not yours" and the whole thing remains mainly unsolved even today. The public wouldn't rise because their used to the this sort of problem.

I'm learning more and more about Africa and even I don't know if it's best for capitalism to come into Africa because even capitalism has a bunch of flaws . Socialism too but government reform should happen after economical stations atleast a little better for any country.

 

Offline Baruch

Re: China's Growing Influence in Africa
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2018, 06:27:22 AM »
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To be fair Satanism is not what it's cracked up to be. I visited and became a member of a satanism forum and had many discussions and research on Satanism. More often that none many satanists are LaVeyan Satanists, those whom don't believe in ANY gods and do't worship the actual Satan but an ideology like it. It's Ironic because it's very Christian like.

Exactly ... not real atheist, just mock anti-Catholic.
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Offline Baruch

Re: China's Growing Influence in Africa
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2018, 06:28:49 AM »
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Taking out the dictators and socialism cannot be done so easily. When dealing with absurd practices of government and dictators its best up to the public who have their own ways and look at foreign country's help as toxic when trying to give social and government reform. An example of this would be the Joseph Rao Kony 2012 incident in which Americans tried to help reform the government to stop child soldiers from being produced and to arrest Kony. But Lo and behold the citizens told these Americans "this our problem not yours" and the whole thing remains mainly unsolved even today. The public wouldn't rise because their used to the this sort of problem.

I'm learning more and more about Africa and even I don't know if it's best for capitalism to come into Africa because even capitalism has a bunch of flaws . Socialism too but government reform should happen after economical stations atleast a little better for any country.

The Ugly American is a gift that keeps on giving.  The post colonial period in Africa has been just as disastrous as the prior colonial period.  The new cadre that took over after de-colonization were Western trained, after all.  Illiterate tribal people would have done better without the college educated apparachniks.
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Re: China's Growing Influence in Africa
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2018, 09:11:37 AM »
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Taking out the dictators and socialism cannot be done so easily. When dealing with absurd practices of government and dictators its best up to the public who have their own ways and look at foreign country's help as toxic when trying to give social and government reform. An example of this would be the Joseph Rao Kony 2012 incident in which Americans tried to help reform the government to stop child soldiers from being produced and to arrest Kony. But Lo and behold the citizens told these Americans "this our problem not yours" and the whole thing remains mainly unsolved even today. The public wouldn't rise because their used to the this sort of problem.

I'm learning more and more about Africa and even I don't know if it's best for capitalism to come into Africa because even capitalism has a bunch of flaws . Socialism too but government reform should happen after economical stations atleast a little better for any country.

I thought it might be needed to give authority to the UN to take ovr countries where human rights are violated, dictators and idiots are ruling, but then again, they will have too much power and might even destroy the countries that are democratic.

But, how do we solve the problem of Communism and socialism rule in Africa where the elite sucks the blood out of their people, where China manage to succeed in colonizing the wealth to pay for the Chinese economy?

Simple!

Free trade!
The politicians in Europe and US should counter bargain.
Do not allow the Chinese to be better business men that you!

Get those spineless liberals in your governments to stop dumping billions into Africa without any payback!
They owe the US everything they have.
Force the Bastards to work for a change, instead of having guys like Gates to give to the Blacks in africa everything as a gift.
They dont realize you are giving it to help, they expect you to pay them for nothing, because they perceive themself as poor, and you as rich.

Did the Chinese philosophy not yet sink into the common sense of the US and Europe?
Teach them to fish, and they will have food forever!

Come into Africa, take them behind their necks, in Trump fashion, tell them what is expected, tell them you will help, but the US will have their own people looking at what they do, force the lazy arses to work for their wealth.
They might not like to get up and to bend their backs a bit, but once they see the results, they will follow suit.

Now they sit under a tree and dink beer while the women work in the fields to feed the children.
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Offline Baruch

Re: China's Growing Influence in Africa
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2018, 01:09:09 PM »
Tribal society has low expectations.  People don't like to work.  Tribal people on average work less per day than modern people do.
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Re: China's Growing Influence in Africa
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2018, 06:04:56 PM »
Free trade wouldn't solve Jack. Free trade would just make the class gap wider.

Offline Baruch

Re: China's Growing Influence in Africa
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2018, 07:49:42 PM »
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Free trade wouldn't solve Jack. Free trade would just make the class gap wider.

That is what happens when you play King Of The Hill ... fellow loser.
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