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Offline Baruch

Re: Trump wall general
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2018, 06:48:56 AM »
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There' a 4th option: Not build a wall, and maintain the status quo, which we have had for almost two centuries with no ill effects.

No ill effects, to criminal employers.  What would the illegal workers think, if they got $15 per hour and full benefits?  That is what I would do, remove the inventive to take advantage of human trafficking.  Human trafficking is a victimless crime, yes?  It isn't just young women forced into prostitution.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Trump wall general
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2018, 06:52:07 AM »
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Things have changed dramatically. The status quo is no longer valid.

People feel that they are entitled to move to any country of their choice, and live off the welfare which western countries provide without limits.

Open borders and welfare is a recipe for economic collapse.

You have to provide housing, medical service, schooling, jobs if they are prepared to work, but if you provide welfare there is no need to work, teach them the language, skills necessary to do a job, administration of all this, security, etc.

All cost money. Your taxes. How long is this sustainable?

Free money for everyone = socialism = Venezuela = failed states.  People who benefit from failed states, want your state to fail!  Bottom feeders like Soros.  If Europe wasn't socialist, then there wouldn't be freebees to attract the toiling masses E and S of you.  But you will have to end socialism for everyone, not just immigrants.  Getting something for free ... is asking the government to commit theft for you.  But that is what you get when you spread democracy to dirty peasants.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Trump wall general
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2018, 06:53:47 AM »
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Fair point.
Though in many cases, not all by far, but many cases, it's not as simple as 'wanting a better life'. I could name you, if I were allowed to name them, off the bat 8 families out of my current batch of cliënts  that fled for their lives. Including one family in which one of the children got hit by an explosion before they decided to flee.

There are those that came here solely for financial reasons and to, as you say it, 'profit'. In my current batch, I estimate that is two families (edit: three, come to think of it). More problematic, on a purely mathmatical level, is the amount of cliënts I have that grow up disillusioned by the frustration I mentioned before. Of which a large amount come from migrant families.

Apart from that, there are some others too, that moved here not 'wanting a better life', but for different reasons. Having a parent in Belgium, for example, of having the parent of your child in Belgium. Without it being a ploy to get to Belgium, which also happens, of course.

They fled for their lives, because of the US and NATO.  Stop the US, Stop NATO.  Put Europe under Russia control, a new Warsaw Pact.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Trump wall general
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2018, 06:54:50 AM »
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Or, you know, to have an aging population. Too many old retired people  that made too little children to replace them in The jobmarket.

Immigration brings iTS own problems, but 'can' aid in that regard.
Illegal immigration is more problematic.

Rome under Augustus had the same problem.  Maybe if European women shaved, more babies would result? ;-)
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Offline Mr.Obvious

Re: Trump wall general
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2018, 07:21:30 AM »
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Rome under Augustus had the same problem.  Maybe if European women shaved, more babies would result? ;-)

I'll be sure to suggest that at The next EU meeting in brussels
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Offline pr126

Re: Trump wall general
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2018, 10:27:59 AM »
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Offline Baruch

Re: Trump wall general
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2018, 12:45:26 PM »
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I'll be sure to suggest that at The next EU meeting in brussels

Or maybe European men can stop being cucks (sarc).  Don't European women want real men?
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Offline pr126

Re: Trump wall general
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2018, 01:15:13 PM »
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Or maybe European men can stop being cucks (sarc).  Don't European women want real men?
Yes of course. That is why they import millions of Africans, Middle Eastern, Asians.
They feminized all the European males. Here come the sperm donors.



Actually, this is the result of decades of Marxist social engineering experiment.
Worked like a charm.

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Offline Baruch

Re: Trump wall general
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2018, 06:50:14 PM »
If I were a young woman, then young men, if handsome, of any particular ethnic background, might blow my wind chimes.

If y'all established European males are going to go drag queen, at least shave, including your face.
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Offline Johan

Re: Trump wall general
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2018, 07:21:31 PM »
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People feel that they are entitled to move to any country of their choice, and live off the welfare which western countries provide without limits.


Well you're a person right? So which country are you moving to?
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Offline Baruch

Re: Trump wall general
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2018, 07:59:53 PM »
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Well you're a person right? So which country are you moving to?

He already did, twice.  He was being sarcastic.

My problem is that any country you go to ... has stupid people in it.
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Offline pr126

Re: Trump wall general
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2018, 11:55:44 PM »
Baruch wrote:
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He already did, twice.  He was being sarcastic.

3 times, actually. Legally.

And I wasn't sarcastic.
People do feel they are entitled to move anywhere they wish.
Soros' minions do the transport.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Trump wall general
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2018, 02:40:12 AM »
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Baruch wrote:
3 times, actually. Legally.

And I wasn't sarcastic.
People do feel they are entitled to move anywhere they wish.
Soros' minions do the transport.

If you are a Democrat, then conspiracy, treason and obstruction don't apply to you.  This is what batshit partisanship gets you.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Trump wall general
« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2018, 02:08:26 AM »
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My husband and I disagree about the wall. He is all for a wall, doesn't care how much it costs and believes its value is as much symbolic as practical. He is also for a complete ban of all Muslims immigrating from any country, which I disagree with. I think a wall across the entire southern border is a waste of money and an antiquated solution. First of all, I think there needs to be a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants who can prove they have been in the US for at least two years and have no criminal record. Our government didn't enforce immigration laws, US employers hired them and so Americans are partially responsible for these people establishing lives here. Tracking down all these people and going through the deportation process causes more harm than good. Rather than building a wall I propose we eliminate the reason people illegally immigrate to the US. We need to require all US employers, schools, social service agencies, healthcare providers, landlords and lending agencies to use E-Verify to confirm US citizenship before providing services. This system is already in place and merely needs to be expanded. Employers and agencies caught not verifying citizenship would be fined and penalized. Most people won't illegally immigrate to the US if they can't work, enroll their children in school, rent an apartment, receive medical care for anything that isn't life-threatening or debilitating, or get a driver's license. It is easier and less expensive to hold US companies and agencies to the law, to offer whistle-blower protection for employees who report non-compliance, then track down undocumented immigrants who are evading the law. This plan doesn't target people from any specific country and addresses the problem of people staying after their visa has expired. I believe it would be much less expensive and more effective at curbing illegal immigration than constructing and maintaining a border wall.

I think that might work, but the cost would be beyond acceptance.  IOW, you could build a wall, manned with soldiers set every few feet, with orders to shoot on sight.  It's been tried before in China and Berlin and N Korea.  Not a good model of a democracy...
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Offline Baruch

Re: Trump wall general
« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2018, 01:16:49 PM »
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I think that might work, but the cost would be beyond acceptance.  IOW, you could build a wall, manned with soldiers set every few feet, with orders to shoot on sight.  It's been tried before in China and Berlin and N Korea.  Not a good model of a democracy...

We are not a democracy.  Been a slave state the whole time.  Definition of slavery changed in 1865, that is all.
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