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Offline Baruch

Re: My two favorite Marxists ...
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2018, 01:21:56 PM »
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Keep in mind that Ho Chi Minh first asked the US for help in establishing a democracy to get free of the French Colonial Empire, and only when we refused his pleas, he went to the communists for assistance.  Had the US been rational at the time, all of Vietnam might have been a bulwork of democracy like South Korea...

Yes, but we would have had to go to war with NATO ... against France, Portugal, GB at least, who were then still trying to hold onto their colonial empire.  There were Americans who wanted to do that, including FDR.  He considered handing over Hong Kong to China.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: My two favorite Marxists ...
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2018, 04:18:09 AM »
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Yes, but we would have had to go to war with NATO ... against France, Portugal, GB at least, who were then still trying to hold onto their colonial empire.  There were Americans who wanted to do that, including FDR.  He considered handing over Hong Kong to China.

No.  All we had to do was nothing and invite Ho Chi Min to Washington and learn how to set up a fair election.  We freed the French and they treated us like crap.  And still do.  A democratic Vietnam would have been worth all the French complaints.  60,000 killed there.
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Offline Baruch

Re: My two favorite Marxists ...
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2018, 08:48:24 AM »
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No.  All we had to do was nothing and invite Ho Chi Min to Washington and learn how to set up a fair election.  We freed the French and they treated us like crap.  And still do.  A democratic Vietnam would have been worth all the French complaints.  60,000 killed there.

Ho was a communist.  If we had competed with the Soviets at sponsoring anti-colonial Marxists like Mandela, we would have ended the cold war sooner.

One million Vietnamese killed there.

You can think Churchill and the other post-WW II W European leaders who seduced us.  But we weren't quite the lackeys they wanted us to be (Suez Crisis 1956).  We did try to assassinate DeGaulle .. but who wouldn't? (Day of the Jackal).
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Offline Baruch

Re: My two favorite Marxists ...
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2018, 09:14:33 PM »
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