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Re: Tucker Carlson: Our ruling class is authoritarian, not Trump
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2018, 06:28:42 PM »
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Every Intelligence Service does that in every election, in every country.

No, I don't believe they do. Got any evidence that the do?
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Re: Tucker Carlson: Our ruling class is authoritarian, not Trump
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2018, 06:34:17 PM »
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No, I don't believe they do. Got any evidence that the do?

You are a Know Nothing ... so you must be about 150 years old or older ...
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Re: Tucker Carlson: Our ruling class is authoritarian, not Trump
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2018, 06:45:08 PM »
Oh, good, an ad hominem attack instead of simply supporting your position with evidence. Then apparently you have no evidence to support your position.
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Re: Tucker Carlson: Our ruling class is authoritarian, not Trump
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2018, 06:59:52 PM »
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Oh, good, an ad hominem attack instead of simply supporting your position with evidence. Then apparently you have no evidence to support your position.

So, part of the coverup, eh?  Have you seen the REAL Zapruder film?  Well I probably don't want to see you naked, so a coverup isn't a bad idea.

You think that reality doesn't exist ... aka nihilism.  Which if you accept Descartes anyway, that means you are a solipsist QED.  The ultimate narcissist.

If a secret government operation isn't on your video camera, it didn't happen, right?
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Re: Tucker Carlson: Our ruling class is authoritarian, not Trump
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2018, 07:06:20 PM »
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Well I probably don't want to see you naked, so a coverup isn't a bad idea.

I'll have you know that I look very good naked! ;-D

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You think that reality doesn't exist ... aka nihilism.  Which if you accept Descartes anyway, that means you are a solipsist QED.  The ultimate narcissist.
That's not what I mean by the term nihilism. I've never said that reality doesn't exist. Why must you put words in the mouths (or fingers, as the case may be) of posters?
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Re: Tucker Carlson: Our ruling class is authoritarian, not Trump
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2018, 07:26:29 PM »
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I'll have you know that I look very good naked! ;-D
That's not what I mean by the term nihilism. I've never said that reality doesn't exist. Why must you put words in the mouths (or fingers, as the case may be) of posters?

My confusion is just like other people, it is the way we roll.  But since you played the "if it falls and nobody hears it" card ... it seemed the right response at the time.

Give me proof that Kennedy was assassinated?  You can't, if you just keep raising the stakes on what is proof.  Easy denial that way.
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Re: Tucker Carlson: Our ruling class is authoritarian, not Trump
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2018, 07:34:52 PM »
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But since you played the "if it falls and nobody hears it" card ... it seemed the right response at the time.
Uh...what? When did I do that?
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Re: Tucker Carlson: Our ruling class is authoritarian, not Trump
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2018, 07:39:30 PM »
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Uh...what? When did I do that?

We all do, at one time or another.  Unconscious rhetorical gambit.  Ask for proof ... I respond bluntly ...

If I had someone meet you face to face, who was "there" an eye-witness ... if they didn't confirm your bias, you would ask them for proof ;-)

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Yeah, fake news ...
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Re: Tucker Carlson: Our ruling class is authoritarian, not Trump
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2018, 07:44:34 PM »
Well, I didn't say Americas is completely innocent of such political tactics(Iran 1953, Shah, for example)
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We all do, at one time or another.  Unconscious rhetorical gambit.

I play gambits in chess, not conversations.
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Re: Tucker Carlson: Our ruling class is authoritarian, not Trump
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2018, 07:45:49 PM »
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Well, I didn't say Americas is completely innocent of such political tactics(Iran 1953, Shah, for example)
I play gambits in chess, not conversations.

You could have fooled me ... many have tried, and failed ;-)

So I don't understand your original denial.  Are you saying that only American regimes are evil?
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Re: Tucker Carlson: Our ruling class is authoritarian, not Trump
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2018, 02:06:16 PM »
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Every Intelligence Service does that in every election, in every country.

I don't think every country resorts to such tactics even if some do.
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Re: Tucker Carlson: Our ruling class is authoritarian, not Trump
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2018, 03:43:02 PM »
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(D)'s want guns to be illegal so that when the looting begins in earnest their enemies won't be able to defend themselves.
You got me.  Alas, my devious plot of white genocide has been discovered by the intelligent, ever-wary defenders of liberty - American conservatives.

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Re: Tucker Carlson: Our ruling class is authoritarian, not Trump
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2018, 06:19:05 PM »
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I don't think every country resorts to such tactics even if some do.

Not every human has four limbs, some are born that way, some are amputees.  Does that disprove the common sense notion of what a human is like?  Only if you are a sophist, who builds a worm hole of semantic self reference.

No, only Russia is evil, only America is virtuous ... under Obama only.
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Re: Tucker Carlson: Our ruling class is authoritarian, not Trump
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2018, 06:22:22 PM »
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You got me.  Alas, my devious plot of white genocide has been discovered by the intelligent, ever-wary defenders of liberty - American conservatives.

Nobody is in favor of liberty ... that is a straw man.  All political positions are straw men.  If it helps you win an argument, it is necessarily true.

Democrats were and still are ... the party of over-immigration, of oppression, or war mongering.  If I had understood that when I was 18, I would never have voted for any of their candidates.  That and because HH failed to get elected in 1968, the Democrats went full Ho Chi Minh communist under McGovern in 1972.  Another reason to never ever vote for them.
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Re: Tucker Carlson: Our ruling class is authoritarian, not Trump
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2018, 02:46:31 AM »
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Point is if you were trying to slow-creep authoritarianism that would be the way to do it.

And let's look at this from a simpler, "cui bono" perspective.

Who benefits from unlimited mass migration? Could it be that this migrant population has different voting patterns from the existing population?

Who benefits from, or even requires a mass disarmament of the population?

Does democracy/general liberty benefit from a general neutering of independent institutions?

So what are your answers to your own questions?
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