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Started by pr126, July 13, 2018, 02:04:35 PM

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Cavebear

Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!


Baruch

Must be nice being Warren Buffet or George Soros ... until they are burning in Hell ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Aid-4q8s7o

they don't serve Ds or Rs anything nice, in Hell.
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Unbeliever

What we have here is corporate socialism, but the right-wing meme machine is just fine with that:

QuoteBetween 2007 and 2012, 200 of America’s most politically active corporations spent a combined $5.8 billion on federal lobbying and campaign contributions. A year-long analysis by the Sunlight Foundation suggests, however, that what they gave pales compared to what those same corporations got: $4.4 trillion in federal business and support.

That figure, more than the $4.3 trillion the federal government paid the nation’s 50 million Social Security recipients over the same period, is the result of an unprecedented effort to quantify the less-examined side of the campaign finance equation: Do political donors get something in return for what they give?


Fixed Fortunes: Biggest corporate political interests spend billions, get trillions


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEeG7I7S30Y
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Shiranu

This seems like as good of time to ask as any, while we are talking about "socialists"...

Pol Pot is normally held up as one of the pinnacle failures of socialism, and yet the violence of the Khmer Rouge was funded for and armed by Western powers who feared Vietnam's Communist party (and thus the Soviets) gaining too much power in the region.

Do "conservatives" (and I use that word very loosely because far-right ideologues only care about regressive-conservative social policy and nothing else that could be called conservative) realise every time they bring up Pol Pot as the "enemy", they are in truth bringing up one of the most violent and inhumane regimes that ever existed that was supported by their idols and their ideology?

"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Shiranu

Back on topic though... I know pr loves short little pictures without any commentary, so maybe this will get to him.

That awkward moment when, by today's standards, America's greatest president would be considered a "Democratic Socialist"...










"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Baruch

#7
Quote from: Shiranu on July 14, 2018, 10:01:01 PM
This seems like as good of time to ask as any, while we are talking about "socialists"...

Pol Pot is normally held up as one of the pinnacle failures of socialism, and yet the violence of the Khmer Rouge was funded for and armed by Western powers who feared Vietnam's Communist party (and thus the Soviets) gaining too much power in the region.

Do "conservatives" (and I use that word very loosely because far-right ideologues only care about regressive-conservative social policy and nothing else that could be called conservative) realise every time they bring up Pol Pot as the "enemy", they are in truth bringing up one of the most violent and inhumane regimes that ever existed that was supported by their idols and their ideology?

Every person who tried to kill European Americans, going back to Roanoke Island ... aren't they your heroes?  Pol Pot mostly killed Cambodians.  He was pure communist, too communist even for the Vietnamese, who had to invade Cambodia, to kick him out.  You can go communist, but never go full communist.

Are you sure you wouldn't have been out there, flying with the Japanese, against Pearl Harbor ... given the chance?  After all, FDR was rich.

UN =  League of Nations = POS.
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Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on July 14, 2018, 10:46:25 PM
Every person who tried to kill European Americans, going back to Roanoke Island ... aren't they your heroes?  Pol Pot mostly killed Cambodians.  He was pure communist, too communist even for the Vietnamese, who had to invade Cambodia, to kick him out.  You can go communist, but never go full communist.

Are you sure you wouldn't have been out there, flying with the Japanese, against Pearl Harbor ... given the chance?  After all, FDR was rich.

UN =  League of Nations = POS.

I have often thought that if the insanely communist N. Viets invaded Cambodia because Pol Pot was "too insane" he must have been AWESOMELY "strong and powerful".  Trump would have LOVED him!
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on July 21, 2018, 01:49:46 PM
I have often thought that if the insanely communist N. Viets invaded Cambodia because Pol Pot was "too insane" he must have been AWESOMELY "strong and powerful".  Trump would have LOVED him!

Yes, reality TV or celebrity TV in 1975 before its time.  Genocide For A Day ... TV show.  Obama should be shown, with Hillary, sticking a sword up Gaddafi's ass ... again and again ...
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Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on July 21, 2018, 02:01:47 PM
Yes, reality TV or celebrity TV in 1975 before its time.  Genocide For A Day ... TV show.  Obama should be shown, with Hillary, sticking a sword up Gaddafi's ass ... again and again ...

Just want to point out that as usula, your response has utterly nothing to do with the post to which you are replying.  Why do you do that when you have nothing relevant to say?  Is it the post-count or the love of seeing your words on the screen?  I've never quite understood that. 
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on July 21, 2018, 02:09:48 PM
Just want to point out that as usula, your response has utterly nothing to do with the post to which you are replying.  Why do you do that when you have nothing relevant to say?  Is it the post-count or the love of seeing your words on the screen?  I've never quite understood that.

Context.  If only direct to original post replies were permitted ... both of us would be banned.  I respond to the latest joke or idiocy by other people.  Target rich environment when you are posting ;-)
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Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on July 21, 2018, 02:37:56 PM
Context.  If only direct to original post replies were permitted ... both of us would be banned.  I respond to the latest joke or idiocy by other people.  Target rich environment when you are posting ;-)

You were just a jokester before I arrived.  But I do get your point.  When I was the alternate player at the bottom on the high school golf team, I played the same on the other team.  If he played badly, I played barely less badly.  If he played well, I played just enough better.  Sometimes we all need a challenge...
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Baruch

#14
But but ... it is all because the CIA is all powerful.  But but ... it is because Chavez and Maduro did socialism all wrong (but does that excuse the perpetual basket cases elsewhere in S America)?

Red Cortez was asked ... "where will you find the money to pay for all these social programs?" and she responded "we will figure that out later".  Typical politician.  Yes, I know exactly where you intend to get your funds ... become the ANC of N America.

This is what happens when you put intellectuals (Plato's Guardians) in charge ... aka revolutionary cadre ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4yFxUdBy80

Plato was lucky he only got off with imprisonment in Syracuse for inciting this kind of shit.  Czar Nicholas, and King Louis before him ... should have genocided their opponents (aka college students) when they had the chance.  This is what the SDS tried to push for in the US in the 1960s.

GB should unleash the Daleks ...
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Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Don't do that.