Author Topic: Powerful tech companies are the enemies of free speech  (Read 285 times)

Re: Powerful tech companies are the enemies of free speech
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2018, 09:08:02 AM »
When looking at the situation in the context of free speech issue, there are much to say.
Not just the tech giants have seized our everyday life, there are different aspects of free speech.
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There are legal issues regarding freedom of speech, e.g. Citizens United v. FEC, and then there are cultural issues, such as public pressure for employers to fire employees based on what he or she says online.
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Re: Powerful tech companies are the enemies of free speech
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2018, 01:17:49 PM »
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When looking at the situation in the context of free speech issue, there are much to say.
Not just the tech giants have seized our everyday life, there are different aspects of free speech.


There are legal issues regarding freedom of speech, e.g. Citizens United v. FEC, and then there are cultural issues, such as public pressure for employers to fire employees based on what he or she says online.

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Re: Powerful tech companies are the enemies of free speech
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2018, 10:05:22 PM »
I remember that Alexis de Tocqueville once said that the USA effectively constrained free speech far more severely than European monarchies did, since there was an incessant pressure to conform in every area of life. You can't lay all the blame for constraints on free speech on the Oligarchy. If anything these tech oligarchs are providing an escape from the day-to-day constraints on free speech that working, democratic people like yourselves thoughtlessly impose on your fellow man/woman/transperson/otherkin.
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Re: Powerful tech companies are the enemies of free speech
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2018, 12:34:00 AM »
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I remember that Alexis de Tocqueville once said that the USA effectively constrained free speech far more severely than European monarchies did, since there was an incessant pressure to conform in every area of life. You can't lay all the blame for constraints on free speech on the Oligarchy. If anything these tech oligarchs are providing an escape from the day-to-day constraints on free speech that working, democratic people like yourselves thoughtlessly impose on your fellow man/woman/transperson/otherkin.

Human beings are naturally status-quo preserving, and so enforce conformity, because non-conformity is thought to be upsetting to the status-quo.  And then there are the ambitious people who want to change everything (for good or ill).  Agent provocateurs are always seen as the enemies of the State.  That is why we want all the nut cases on Facebook, so that Zuckerberg can act as busybody/censor for the authorities.  In the American case, we are ironically religious, in a way Europeans are not, because we are free of establishment of official religion.  For Europeans, opposing religion was part of opposing the government ... not so in the US.  People in the US who see "religious establishment" in place, are European in perspective .. and are noticeably influenced by European political movements, not American ones.  Atheists naturally have this paranoia, about the existence of any religion at any level.  But the actual American religion is secular and capitalist ... get rich quick!
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Re: Powerful tech companies are the enemies of free speech
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2018, 03:10:52 AM »
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I remember that Alexis de Tocqueville once said that the USA effectively constrained free speech far more severely than European monarchies did, since there was an incessant pressure to conform in every area of life. You can't lay all the blame for constraints on free speech on the Oligarchy. If anything these tech oligarchs are providing an escape from the day-to-day constraints on free speech that working, democratic people like yourselves thoughtlessly impose on your fellow man/woman/transperson/otherkin.

Provide evidence, please.  De Tocqueville very muched liked the US political system.
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Re: Powerful tech companies are the enemies of free speech
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2018, 07:33:25 AM »
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Provide evidence, please.  De Tocqueville very muched liked the US political system.

See Tyranny of the Majority section ... lazy bear ...

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Re: Powerful tech companies are the enemies of free speech
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2018, 07:39:41 AM »
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See Tyranny of the Majority section ... lazy bear ...

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Re: Powerful tech companies are the enemies of free speech
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2018, 10:52:20 AM »
For the lazy fucks:

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"I know no country," he wrote, "in which, generally speaking, there is less independence of mind and true freedom of discussion than in America." He added that the lack of great writers in the United States was due to the absence of "freedom of spirit" brought on by a majority intolerant of minority views.

"If ever freedom is lost in America," de Tocqueville warned, "that will be due to the ... majority driving minorities to desperation...." De Tocqueville did identify certain elements at work in American democracy which checked the formation of a tyranny of the majority. Among these elements were the large number of independent associations, the press and the courts.

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Re: Powerful tech companies are the enemies of free speech
« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2018, 12:15:36 PM »
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For the lazy fucks:

Having read De Tocqueville  and knowing his general approval of American political society at the time (and not recalling that particular passage) I'm wondering where the "however" part comes in wherein he speaks of his admiration.
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Re: Powerful tech companies are the enemies of free speech
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2018, 12:45:26 PM »
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Having read De Tocqueville  and knowing his general approval of American political society at the time (and not recalling that particular passage) I'm wondering where the "however" part comes in wherein he speaks of his admiration.

You read De Tocqueville how you want to read him ... and unfortunately Orcus doesn't give quotes, without ellipses ... or with context.

Read the whole paragraph where that occurs, expert ... then tell us what is missing from the quotes, and what the context is ...

Doesn't change that De Tocqueville was a French aristocrat ...
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