Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)

[Mousetrap]

No. It means that people not worthy of respect do not deserve respect and therefore its no surprise when they don't get respect.
Someone claiming to have the science and does not respect science is a good sign. You disrespect the entire scientific community with your brazen dismissal of scientific progress just in the last thirty years.
If you're wrong, then you're just wrong. Being wrong can be corrected. If you continue to claim you're right without adequately addressing rebuttals, then you are acting just like a kid who walks into NASA headquarters and demanding that they build your rocket to his specifications because he's teh jenyus, even when people who make a career out of rocket science are telling him that, no, his rocket design won't work and no, they are under no obligation to build it for him.
Yet you try to defend clear slavery in the bible as mere "servitude" and "butlery." That, in my opinion, is way more down on the vile scale.

Ditto

[Mousetrap]

Guys, guys. You're missing the subtle intricacies of Mousetrap's arguments. They're just being lost in translation. Now, if this conversation was being had in the language of Afrikaans, I'm sure we would all be able to recognize his genius.

You get the Mousetrap trophy today for the best sarcastic, but funniest post yet.
I sat here and actually laughed at the deep thinking that popped out of those words.

[Mousetrap]

I don't love it. 

And what's with the 'half' stuff?'

There's no such thing as 'half' of anything in a multi-verse, especially atheist vs whatever.  It's complete nonsense.

Perhaps I am wrong in the understanding of the Multiverse where scientists theorised that there are such a numerous amount of universes, infinite amounts, that the possibility that you are somewhere in the exact circumstances as you are living here, and there will also be many more versions of you in other circumstances and environments.

I thought the remark that in some other multiverse, there will be a Universe where half of everyone is Theists, and the other half not.
I think this was an interesting conclusion.
I do not have to agree with the thought, but I found it interesting, and I still love it.

But think about this one.
Somewhere there is another Universe with an Earth where everyone is Theist, lets say, Christian.
And they prosper.
Then there is another Earth where everyone was Atheist!
Well, there will be only one living being left after they all killed each other.

I still love it!

[Mousetrap]

I will take your comment as sarcasm, not as stark raving mad.  Chaos is good, stagnation is bad.

This is so true!
I wonder why the poor person loves to remain in his rat hole and do not want to enjoy the colors of the outside.
Scared of Mousetraps?
Scared of Scribes who will teach about what is beyond the walls of Jerusalem?
The world!
Rainbows, rain, flowers, sunshine, birds, people, life, fresh air!

[Mousetrap]

No, not sarcasm.  Trump uses chaos as a tool.  Since you claim the same, then you two are like brothers.  Change is good--chaos is not.

All I observe is that Trump faces Chaos and removes these threats of the world.
Poor Obama economic policies, World nuclear missile threats, Russian aggression, EU refugee control, Nato stagnation, African greed, South American Drug cartels, Border control, internal Communism threats, socialist idiocy, Democratic stupidity, Obma care, Tax reforms, Unemployment,...

Guys I am not even an American, and I see how great Trump is.
You never had any president in the US ever that could achieve what he did.

He is a great strategist, he cares for the Americans, he fixes your country, and all you damn spineless liberals can do is to try to slander the guy.

But dont worry, the American people are not stupid!
The Liberal socialist Trump haters will not have any political party left after the Mid term elections.
The people of the UA will tke back their country, and will be a leader again to the world, not that jellyfish country which Clinton and Obama wanted you to turn into.

[Cavebear]

All I observe is that Trump faces Chaos and removes these threats of the world.
Poor Obama economic policies, World nuclear missile threats, Russian aggression, EU refugee control, Nato stagnation, African greed, South American Drug cartels, Border control, internal Communism threats, socialist idiocy, Democratic stupidity, Obma care, Tax reforms, Unemployment,...

Guys I am not even an American, and I see how great Trump is.
You never had any president in the US ever that could achieve what he did.

He is a great strategist, he cares for the Americans, he fixes your country, and all you damn spineless liberals can do is to try to slander the guy.

But dont worry, the American people are not stupid!
The Liberal socialist Trump haters will not have any political party left after the Mid term elections.
The people of the UA will tke back their country, and will be a leader again to the world, not that jellyfish country which Clinton and Obama wanted you to turn into.

Trump represents chaos deliberately as a political strategy.  The problem with his constant lies and contradictions is that he can't remember what he said for more than a few hours.  People who tell the truth don't have that problem.

[Baruch]

Trump represents chaos deliberately as a political strategy.  The problem with his constant lies and contradictions is that he can't remember what he said for more than a few hours.  People who tell the truth don't have that problem.

Truth has never been told in politics.  The first rule of political fight club, is to not talk about political fight club.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC1yHLp9bWA

"Dukes up" - Dukes of Hazard

[Hakurei Reimu]

Ditto

"Ditto..." what? Are you agreeing that you are vile for defending the bible's slavery laws as mere butlery and service? Then we are in agreement.

[Hydra009]

But think about this one.
Somewhere there is another Universe with an Earth where everyone is Theist, lets say, Christian.
And they prosper.
Then there is another Earth where everyone was Atheist!
Well, there will be only one living being left after they all killed each other.

a LOT of assumptions went into that post.

[Jason78]

One eye is king in the land of the Blind.
here we have a "Staff member" of the Atheist community.
And his / hers choice of words, and use of foul language is supposed to be taken seriously by a Christian.
I should be so frightened, and should run, run, run, to mommy because of old one eyed gargoyle who has literal verbal diarrhea.

You came in here.  Insulted everybody, and now you're trying to act offended because you've been insulted?

We're all adults here, and if you can't handle a little harsh language then I suggest you find somewhere else to play.

Go somewhere with a profanity filter if you're that easily offended.

[trdsf]

a LOT of assumptions went into that post.

Not to mention a lot of willful ignorance.  But, yaknow, that's par for the course.

Suffice to say that finding conflicts started by Christians to impose their religion on others doesn't even take a Google search, I'm sure we can all name at least one off the tops of our heads.  I'm also sure we could all name a war where Christians went to war with other Christians to impose their version of Christianity on their targets.  So even an all-Christian world would ultimately (and probably more rapidly) descend into warfare in the name of reform or orthodoxy... or land grabs or greed or whatever.

[Hydra009]

So even an all-Christian world would ultimately (and probably more rapidly) descend into warfare in the name of reform or orthodoxy... or land grabs or greed or whatever.

We even have a few real-life examples of countries with populations that were very nearly completely Christian fighting with each other because of religious reasons, both in Europe (various Catholic VS Protestant conflicts) and in the US (Catholic VS Protestant conflicts, Mormon VS Protestant conflicts).  So Mousebrain's hypothetical scenario isn't just dubious, it's factually wrong.

[Mike Cl]

Not to mention a lot of willful ignorance.  But, yaknow, that's par for the course.

Suffice to say that finding conflicts started by Christians to impose their religion on others doesn't even take a Google search, I'm sure we can all name at least one off the tops of our heads.  I'm also sure we could all name a war where Christians went to war with other Christians to impose their version of Christianity on their targets.  So even an all-Christian world would ultimately (and probably more rapidly) descend into warfare in the name of reform or orthodoxy... or land grabs or greed or whatever.

"Kill them all and let God sort them out"--from a war of christian on christian.

[Baruch]

"Kill them all and let God sort them out"--from a war of christian on christian.

Yes, it is the year 1207 every year.  Well for some people.  Really just one part of the post-Roman Empire against another part of the post-Roman Empire.

[trdsf]

And of course it's worth mentioning that never in the history of the planet has a secular humanist state waged war on *anyone*... mainly because there's never been a secular humanist state.  France and Norway and Japan and the Czech Republic are getting close, though.

There have been governments that have practiced state atheism, as a reaction against a state religion imposed by an overthrown government: the Bolsheviks banning the Russian Orthodox Church comes to mind.  However, these have always been political acts; had the Russian Orthodox Church supported the Red Army rather than the White Army in the Russian Revolution, there's absolutely no doubt that they would have maintained their status under the new regime.

Also, if you look at the structure of Stalin's Russia, or North Korea under the Kims, those are religious states.  They are dedicated to the worship of their leader, from whom all good things come and to whom all praise must go or else.  The Kims take it even further than Stalin did, ascribing supernatural powers to their leaders -- Kim Il-sung's birthplace is a place of pilgrimage, not unlike Vatican City; miraculous events are said to have happened when Kim Jong-Il was born (like winter turning suddenly to spring)... this is not atheistic behavior, this is the leader as god and the state as his official church.