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Re: Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)
« Reply #495 on: August 27, 2018, 07:29:38 AM »
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Intelligence might well escape extinction by knowing that it might happen and actively preventing it.

You want the AIs to kill us?  It is intelligent to kill our enemies.
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Re: Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)
« Reply #496 on: August 27, 2018, 02:43:38 PM »
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Intelligence might well escape extinction by knowing that it might happen and actively preventing it.
Yeah, intelligence, in general, might well escape all the catastrophes in store as the universe ages. The stellar age will last about 100 trillion years, and after that there may be ways of surviving in the vicinity of black holes. After that life might have to tunnel its way into another, fresher universe.
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Re: Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)
« Reply #497 on: August 27, 2018, 02:50:47 PM »
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Yeah, intelligence, in general, might well escape all the catastrophes in store as the universe ages. The stellar age will last about 100 trillion years, and after that there may be ways of surviving in the vicinity of black holes. After that life might have to tunnel its way into another, fresher universe.

Yeah, those pesky brown dwarves take forever to die.  But I think we won't have to worry about 100 TrYs.  If we last 100 MYs, I'll be amazed.  Actually, I'm not so sure about the next century.  In a 100MY, those microbes in Andromeda will get their turn.
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Re: Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)
« Reply #498 on: August 27, 2018, 07:49:00 PM »
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Yeah, intelligence, in general, might well escape all the catastrophes in store as the universe ages. The stellar age will last about 100 trillion years, and after that there may be ways of surviving in the vicinity of black holes. After that life might have to tunnel its way into another, fresher universe.

If you have to live near a black hole, hold your nose, don't sniff ;-)
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Re: Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)
« Reply #499 on: August 28, 2018, 02:00:38 PM »
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Yeah, intelligence, in general, might well escape all the catastrophes in store as the universe ages. The stellar age will last about 100 trillion years, and after that there may be ways of surviving in the vicinity of black holes. After that life might have to tunnel its way into another, fresher universe.

Or make a newer better universe.  With blackjack, and hookers!
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Re: Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)
« Reply #500 on: August 28, 2018, 02:15:03 PM »
And pizza!
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"The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad.”
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Re: Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)
« Reply #501 on: September 06, 2018, 09:58:07 AM »
I can do the same thing OP with a recipe book. This is simply all you're doing.

snapper filet, cubed
3 teaspoons chopped scallions
salt and freshly ground black pepper
a dash of cayenne pepper
2 teaspoons chopped fresh ginger
1 teaspoon minced garlic
8 shrimp, peeled, deveined, and cubed
1/2 cup heavy cream; 2 eggs, lightly beaten
3 teaspoons rice wine; 2 cups bread crumbs
3 tablespoons vegetable oil; 2 1/2 cups ogo tomato relish

The snapper filet, of course, is the individual himself -- you and I -- awash in the sea of existence. But here we find it cubed, which is to say that our situation must be remedied in all three dimensions of body, mind, and spirit.

Three teaspoons of chopped scallions further partakes of the cubic symmetry, suggesting that that which we need add to each level of our being by way of antidote comes likewise in equal proportions. The import of the passage is clear: the body, mind, and spirit need to be tended to with the same care.

Salt and freshly ground black pepper: here we have the perennial invocation of opposites -- the white and the black aspects of our nature. Both good and evil must be understood if we would fulfill the recipe for spiritual life. Nothing, after all, can be excluded from the human experience (this seems to be a Tantric text). What is more, salt and pepper come to us in the form of grains, which is to say that our good and bad qualities are born of the tiniest actions. Thus, we are not good or evil in general, but only by virtue of innumerable moments, which color the stream of our being by force of repetition.

A dash of cayenne pepper: clearly, being of such robust color and flavor, this signifies the spiritual influence of an enlightened adept. What shall we make of the ambiguity of its measurement? How large is a dash? Here we must rely upon the wisdom of the universe at large. The teacher himself will know precisely what we need by way of instruction. And it is at just this point in the text that the ingredients that bespeak the heat of spiritual endeavor are added to the list -- for after a dash of cayenne pepper, we find two teaspoons of chopped fresh ginger and one teaspoon of minced garlic. These form an isosceles trinity of sorts, signifying the two sides of our spiritual nature (male and female) united with the object meditation.

Next comes eight shrimp -- peeled, deveined, and cubed. The eight shrimp, of course, represent the eight worldly concerns that every spiritual aspirant must decry: fame and shame; loss and gain; pleasure and pain; praise and blame. Each needs to be deveined, peeled, and cubed -- that is, purged of its power to entrance us and incorporated on the path of practice.

Credit to Sam Harris for this.


Re: Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)
« Reply #502 on: September 06, 2018, 10:26:47 AM »
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Intelligence might well escape extinction by knowing that it might happen and actively preventing it.
In a billion years "we" might be able to migrate to a younger universe. Impossible now, much as heavier-than-air flight was two hundred years ago.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Re: Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)
« Reply #503 on: September 08, 2018, 04:10:14 AM »
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Or make a newer better universe.  With blackjack, and hookers!

Be careful about a new universe.  You might be a hooker. 
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Re: Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)
« Reply #504 on: September 08, 2018, 04:11:44 AM »
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In a billion years "we" might be able to migrate to a younger universe. Impossible now, much as heavier-than-air flight was two hundred years ago.

If we survive another million years, we will probably have taken over the universe.  IF we are the only intelligent lifeforms in it.
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Re: Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)
« Reply #505 on: September 08, 2018, 11:37:13 AM »
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Be careful about a new universe.  You might be a hooker.

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Re: Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)
« Reply #506 on: September 08, 2018, 11:37:55 AM »
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If we survive another million years, we will probably have taken over the universe.  IF we are the only intelligent lifeforms in it.

Optimist.  We aren't an intelligent life form.
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Re: Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)
« Reply #507 on: September 08, 2018, 12:19:51 PM »
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If we survive another million years, we will probably have taken over the universe.  IF we are the only intelligent lifeforms in it.
If we survive another million years, we won't be this current species of human anymore anyway, without taking deliberate steps to slow or halt evolution.

Once we start inhabiting other planets, that's the end of humanity as a single species.  Humans living on other worlds are going to change to fit their environments better, no matter how close to Earth-like we're able to terraform them into.
Sir Terry Pratchett, on being told about the theory that the universe is a computer simulation: "If we all get out and in again, would it start to work properly this time?"

Re: Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)
« Reply #508 on: September 08, 2018, 12:41:22 PM »


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If we survive another million years, we won't be this current species of human anymore anyway, without taking deliberate steps to slow or halt evolution.

Once we start inhabiting other planets, that's the end of humanity as a single species.  Humans living on other worlds are going to change to fit their environments better, no matter how close to Earth-like we're able to terraform them into.

Its more likely we will modify ourselves through technology rather then us evolving naturally.   Also, it's more likely of us using environmental manipulation tech to help further suit the world to us.

Re: Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)
« Reply #509 on: September 08, 2018, 12:49:54 PM »
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Its more likely we will modify ourselves through technology rather then us evolving naturally.   Also, it's more likely of us using environmental manipulation tech to help further suit the world to us.
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Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
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