Origins of the Universe. (Creation versus science. Do they contradict?)

Started by Mousetrap, July 06, 2018, 09:07:02 AM

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Mousetrap

Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on August 08, 2018, 08:56:34 AM
Pfft. Since when have you ever taken us seriously? When have you ever given us a modocrim of respect? You've insulted us intellectually since day one, pretending that any of your puerile reading of the Bible holds even a candle to what science had discovered about the solar system, and could overturn any of the well-founded science of the protoplanetary disk. You have been unable to intellectually defend your model of solar system formation, yet you call us fools for not believing that your description matches reality when you have done nothing to fulfill the intellectual requirements of demonstrating that your idea has any merit.

Dear, oh Dear!
So if I perceive someone do not respect me, I have the right to be a foul mouthed swearing pig.

So, who decides if someone is not respecting the next?

Or, If someone tells me I am wrong, can I claim he is disrespecting me?

This is the Islamic and Democrat socialist leftist mentality and I refuse to lower my moral standards to any of those 2 vile philosophies.
Evolution, the religion whereby one believes your children more human, and your parents more ape, than you!

The Human Mind, if it has nothing to do with Evolution...What an incredible entity...
If it does, what a waste!

Atheism, what a wonderful religion, where one believe to believe is erroneous.

Mike Cl

Quote from: Mousetrap on August 08, 2018, 09:30:21 AM

This is the Islamic and Democrat socialist leftist mentality and I refuse to lower my moral standards to any of those 2 vile philosophies.
You are a christian and therefore, don't have any morals to lower.  Your 'philosophy' (not really a philosophy, but stupid thinking) is the most vile of them all.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: SGOS on August 07, 2018, 09:51:32 AM
Non sequitur, in my mind, is Baruch's biggest failure in communication, second only to his ever present snide innuendo.  I don't understand why he continually does this.

????
Doesn't understand what people are saying.
Reads into text what is not there.
Wants to change the subject.
Compulsively contrary.
Compulsively disruptive.
Compulsively outrageous.
Unable to remain logical.
Needs to confuse readers.

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If he wasn't posting here he'd be alone with himself.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Baruch

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 08, 2018, 10:22:37 AM
If he wasn't posting here he'd be alone with himself.

I work for a living.  It isn't just masturbation while the cats watch ;-)

Every male I meet up with here is a dick ... such a surprise!
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

trdsf

Quote from: Hydra009 on August 07, 2018, 02:11:05 PM
Typically, when people are playing devil's advocate, they state that outright.  You don't.
Also, playing devil's advocate involves actually exploring making a contradictory point that's not one's own.  It isn't just dropping a conversational bomb and wandering away without bothering to at least see what kind of crater it left.
"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total, and I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution." -- Barbara Jordan

Hakurei Reimu

Quote from: Mousetrap on August 08, 2018, 09:30:21 AM
Dear, oh Dear!
So if I perceive someone do not respect me, I have the right to be a foul mouthed swearing pig.
No. It means that people not worthy of respect do not deserve respect and therefore its no surprise when they don't get respect.

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So, who decides if someone is not respecting the next?
Someone claiming to have the science and does not respect science is a good sign. You disrespect the entire scientific community with your brazen dismissal of scientific progress just in the last thirty years.

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Or, If someone tells me I am wrong, can I claim he is disrespecting me?
If you're wrong, then you're just wrong. Being wrong can be corrected. If you continue to claim you're right without adequately addressing rebuttals, then you are acting just like a kid who walks into NASA headquarters and demanding that they build your rocket to his specifications because he's teh jenyus, even when people who make a career out of rocket science are telling him that, no, his rocket design won't work and no, they are under no obligation to build it for him.

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This is the Islamic and Democrat socialist leftist mentality and I refuse to lower my moral standards to any of those 2 vile philosophies.
Yet you try to defend clear slavery in the bible as mere "servitude" and "butlery." That, in my opinion, is way more down on the vile scale.
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Blackleaf

Guys, guys. You're missing the subtle intricacies of Mousetrap's arguments. They're just being lost in translation. Now, if this conversation was being had in the language of Afrikaans, I'm sure we would all be able to recognize his genius.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

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Baruch

Quote from: trdsf on August 08, 2018, 01:02:58 PM
Also, playing devil's advocate involves actually exploring making a contradictory point that's not one's own.  It isn't just dropping a conversational bomb and wandering away without bothering to at least see what kind of crater it left.

I have stated many times, positions that aren't my own.  In fact, you geniuses don't know my own positions.  Being a devil means ... creating more chaos.  I take the chaos here and make it more chaotic.  Just maximizing entropy my own way.

So you want a long dissertation on why every pro-Hillary argument is correct?  I could do that.  Don't know why I would bother, such arguments have been all over this site since 2016.  Do I need to add my own?  My posts lean "conservative" because it is under-represented.  Balance ...
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

ferdmonger

Quote from: Mousetrap on August 06, 2018, 03:15:19 AM
I LOVE THIS!!!!

I don't love it. 

And what's with the 'half' stuff?'

There's no such thing as 'half' of anything in a multi-verse, especially atheist vs whatever.  It's complete nonsense.


sdelsolray

Quote from: Blackleaf on August 08, 2018, 03:43:47 PM
Guys, guys. You're missing the subtle intricacies of Mousetrap's arguments. They're just being lost in translation. Now, if this conversation was being had in the language of Afrikaans, I'm sure we would all be able to recognize his genius.

Not likely.  Mousetrap aka Mousedroppings is a confirmed lying and disingenuous creationist chump.  His more recent attempts to ingratiate himself among atheists is comical and pathetic at the same time.

Mike Cl

Quote from: Baruch on August 08, 2018, 07:41:45 PM
I have stated many times, positions that aren't my own.  In fact, you geniuses don't know my own positions.  Being a devil means ... creating more chaos.  I take the chaos here and make it more chaotic.  Just maximizing entropy my own way.

I now see why you support Trump.  You are one and the same.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Baruch

Quote from: ferdmonger on August 08, 2018, 09:26:43 PM
I don't love it. 

And what's with the 'half' stuff?'

There's no such thing as 'half' of anything in a multi-verse, especially atheist vs whatever.  It's complete nonsense.

If everything is only black/white for you, then you are ready for monochrome war to the finish.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: Mike Cl on August 08, 2018, 10:55:45 PM
I now see why you support Trump.  You are one and the same.

I will take your comment as sarcasm, not as stark raving mad.  Chaos is good, stagnation is bad.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Mike Cl

Quote from: Baruch on August 08, 2018, 11:14:46 PM
I will take your comment as sarcasm, not as stark raving mad.  Chaos is good, stagnation is bad.
No, not sarcasm.  Trump uses chaos as a tool.  Since you claim the same, then you two are like brothers.  Change is good--chaos is not.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?