Is all leftism basically a derivative of an early Protestant cult?

[orcus]

Wiki link for anyone interested

TL;DR the Munster Rebellion was an attempt by an anti-Catholic sect of Christianity to initiate a global uprising against the Church and the nobility in the name of equality. Like the French Revolution and the Communist Revolutions, this rebellion quickly descended into tyranny, with a succession of men declaring themselves King of Humanity and ordering the summary execution of anyone who disagreed with them.

This passage in particular

They were polygamous and believed force was justified against anyone not in their sect.

should remind people of this



It is strange that leftism only really took hold first in Christendom and spread to China only after contact with the West. Leftism really could not have developed in the absence of Christianity.

[Shiranu]

You are going to have to clarify which type of leftism you mean, since there is a marked difference between social leftism, nationalistic leftism, economic leftism, etc. .

[orcus]

Rule #1 of leftist sabotage: Overcomplicate

The Munster Rebellion, French Revolution, and the Communist Revolutions all came from the same impulse and ended more or less identically, they're all just different faces for the same parasitic cult.

[Baruch]

There have been many peasant revolts in history ... the Protestant Reformation (Luther wrote a tract "Against the Robbing and Murdering Hordes of Peasants") is more recent.  The poor have had too much, and they revolt.  Sometimes because of natural disaster, sometimes because of misrule by the Elite.

Leftism per-se is a peasant revolt that includes an intelligencia.  That couldn't happen until there were universities.  Revolts have been happening at colleges since they were founded in the Middle Ages.  There was a short war between the colleges of Oxford and the city of Oxford for example.  Of course back then, the universities were Church institutions, and remained so, until modern times.  The issues among rioting students in the Middle Ages would have been drinking and whoring ;-)  It was radical professors who started Protestantism (see Hus and Wycliffe even before Luther).  Once you had Protestant universities you got even less discipline (Newton), though already there were problems with Catholic professors (Galileo).  The Enlightenment happened out of that, not just in science ... but in the humanities.  Enlightenment professors in the humanities, are responsible for the French Revolution, the first modern peasant revolt.

So yes, in the context of Protestantism ... not caused by Protestantism.  But we can blame Plato most of all, the guy who created the first college.  Like the recent primary win in NY ... he was a radical, but from a privileged background.  Plato's Republic is a blueprint for much of subsequent political history, influencing both Aristotle (who wrote Politics) and Cicero (who wrote lots, and himself a leading politician).  Their works survive into the Middle Ages, serving as the textbooks.

The Munster rebellion was proto-Mormonism.  There were others who revolted against the Catholic Church.  The Albigensians for instance, the Waldensians and the Mennonites.  Mennonites and Waldensians were pacifists.

[Mike Cl]

Rule #1 of leftist sabotage: Overcomplicate

The Munster Rebellion, French Revolution, and the Communist Revolutions all came from the same impulse and ended more or less identically, they're all just different faces for the same parasitic cult.

"parasitic cult"--ah, I see, you are talking about islam.

[SGOS]

Parasitic leftism is bad, so symbiotic leftism must be good.  Or am I just being triggered by adjectives, when "leftism" should be all the trigger I need?

[Hydra009]

It is strange that leftism only really took hold first in Christendom and spread to China only after contact with the West.

WoW!  That's really strange!  ...I think.

I mean, what are the odds that a european republican/anti-monarchial political movement ONLY spread to China after China came into contact with europeans?

Seriously, what are the odds?  100% or so?

Leftism really could not have developed in the absence of Christianity.

Correlation does not necessarily imply causation.

[Hydra009]

Parasitic leftism is bad, so symbiotic leftism must be good.  Or am I just being triggered by adjectives, when "leftism" should be all the trigger I need?

You should also be triggered by the term "equality" since it necessarily means tyranny.  [/sarcasm mark]

[SGOS]

I'm still trying to figure out what that photo of a Muslim terrorist is doing in this thread.  It looks, like someone left him in charge of watching the hostages, and he's going to fall asleep if someone doesn't relieve him pretty soon. 

[Hydra009]

I'm still trying to figure out what that photo of a Muslim terrorist is doing in this thread.

It's a simple enough connection if you subscribe to right-wing news/narratives.

Leftists = Liberals = Socialists = Commies = Islamists = [almost anything distressing to conservatives].  All can be used interchangeably.

[Baruch]

WoW!  That's really strange!  ...I think.

I mean, what are the odds that a european republican/anti-monarchial political movement ONLY spread to China after China came into contact with europeans?

Seriously, what are the odds?  100% or so?
Correlation does not necessarily imply causation.

China had peasant revolts ... it is what causes a dynasty to fall, leading to a new dynasty forming.

[Baruch]

It's a simple enough connection if you subscribe to right-wing news/narratives.

Leftists = Liberals = Socialists = Commies = Islamists = [almost anything distressing to conservatives].  All can be used interchangeably.

The Left says the same things about the Right, just uses different labels.

[orcus]

It's Antifa, one of your guys.

I'm still trying to figure out what that photo of a Muslim terrorist is doing in this thread.  It looks, like someone left him in charge of watching the hostages, and he's going to fall asleep if someone doesn't relieve him pretty soon. 

It's an Antifa, one of your guys.

[Shiranu]

Crickets from the audience who says we need to be more central and less partisan...

[Baruch]

Crickets from the audience who says we need to be more central and less partisan...

Yes, a centrist like Castro ;-)  Cuba is at least an island, even if it isn't in the center of the Caribbean.