United States Ranked 10th Worse Nation For Women

Started by Shiranu, June 29, 2018, 07:59:34 PM

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Mermaid

Quote from: Baruch on June 30, 2018, 02:07:11 PM
I don't have much worry for women or Muslims being oppressed.

That's cause you're not either of those.
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

Baruch

Quote from: Mermaid on June 30, 2018, 02:47:20 PM
That's cause you're not either of those.

And I can whine about being Jewish (in part).  But really, since we are the Chosen People who control every nation on Earth, would you want to hear that?

Muslims are a minority in the US.  Women are not.  And I have a lot more direct experience with women.  I know Muslims mostly from study.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Mermaid

Quote from: Baruch on June 30, 2018, 03:09:38 PM
And I can whine about being Jewish (in part).  But really, since we are the Chosen People who control every nation on Earth, would you want to hear that?

Muslims are a minority in the US.  Women are not.  And I have a lot more direct experience with women.  I know Muslims mostly from study.
Experience WITH women is not experience AS a woman.
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

Munch

Quote from: Mermaid on June 30, 2018, 07:04:21 PM
Experience WITH women is not experience AS a woman.

its kinda hard to experience something as a woman when your not one, what do you suggest?
'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Mermaid

Quote from: Munch on June 30, 2018, 07:21:37 PM
its kinda hard to experience something as a woman when your not one, what do you suggest?
Listening to people who actually know firsthand.
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

Munch

Quote from: Mermaid on June 30, 2018, 07:35:35 PM
Listening to people who actually know firsthand.

so what your saying is they need to experience it with women.
'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Mermaid

Quote from: Munch on June 30, 2018, 07:46:32 PM
so what your saying is they need to experience it with women.
No. I am saying is that you need to LISTEN to women.
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

Shiranu

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Quote from: Munch on June 30, 2018, 07:46:32 PM
so what your saying is they need to experience it with women.





I cant even.

She literally a single post earlier just said that "experience with women is not the same as experience as a woman.".

You are literally quoting a post where she is saying that men need to listen to what women say rather than just assume that they know everything there is to know about a woman's experience because "they know a woman, so clearly I am the expert!".

In a quote where she is asking for you to listen to her, you are literally doing the exact opposite and telling her what she is "really" saying, which is to do the exact thing she said not to do only one post earlier.



"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Munch

oh dear, well I guess I'm a terrible person then.

Just for the record, I don't give a shit about anyones gender when they're talking to me, its only if they have something worth listening to.

that's real equality.
'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Shiranu

Quoteoh dear, well I guess I'm a terrible person then.



No one is calling you terrible, stop being so melodramatic.

Quotethat's real equality.

Wow, someone deserves a pat on the back.

"I am willing to treat women equally... I will dismiss and talk over them asking for equal treatment just as much as I would a man! See, I am all about that pro-equality!"

Of the same cloth of, "I treat women equally... I would punch a woman in the face just as soon as a man! That's real equality!"

"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Munch

Quote from: Shiranu on June 30, 2018, 09:46:45 PM


No one is calling you terrible, stop being so melodramatic.


Apathy is a hard one to get across in text.

QuoteWow, someone deserves a pat on the back.

"I am willing to treat women equally... I will dismiss and talk over them asking for equal treatment just as much as I would a man! See, I am all about that pro-equality!"

Of the same cloth of, "I treat women equally... I would punch a woman in the face just as soon as a man! That's real equality!"

I never said I talk over them, I just zone out if their boring. Surprisingly learned that from watching sex in the city.

And if the woman was deserving of a punch she should get one, or do you want chivalry brought back where women are made to wait at home while the man does all the hard work?


'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Shiranu

#26
QuoteApathy is a hard one to get across in text.

Mhmm. Nothing screams apathy like arguing from thread after thread after thread.

QuoteI never said I talk over them...

Oh don't worry, you never had to say it. It was loud and clear as it was.

QuoteAnd if the woman was deserving of a punch she should get one, or do you want chivalry brought back where women are made to wait at home while the man does all the hard work?



"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Mermaid

Quote from: Munch on June 30, 2018, 09:25:50 PM
oh dear, well I guess I'm a terrible person then.

Just for the record, I don't give a shit about anyones gender when they're talking to me, its only if they have something worth listening to.

that's real equality.

Thank you for demonstrating with clarity what much of the issue is.
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

Cavebear

I suspect things are getting better for women in the US today.  There is discussion, there are women speaking up, there are women running for political office, etc. Women are speaking up against harassment and winning approval for doing so.  Harassing and more evil individual men are getting punished for their actions.  How is that worse?
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

pr126

Opressors = White Male
Oppressed = Every one else.