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Nearly 600 women were arrested Thursday in one of several demonstrations across the country protesting the Trump administration's treatment of migrant families at the southern border.


Organized by the Center for Popular Democracy Action and the Women's March, a group that spearheaded the original Women's March in January 2017, the demonstration in Washington, D.C., sought to end family detention, create an immediate process for family reunification, and abolish the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
Protesters marched past the Justice Department then staged a sit-in at the Hart Senate Office Building where they chanted, "What do we want? Free families!" and "This is what democracy looks like," among other things, according to The Associated Press.
About 575 people were arrested and charged with unlawfully demonstrating inside the building, AP tweeted, including Rep. Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., who said she was "proud to have been arrested with them."
"A mass act of nonviolent civil disobedience seems like the right approach right now to send shock waves through the system," Chakraborty said. "Marching is not enough anymore."

I want to propose a thought experiment; imagine you are watching the news, and one of the breaking headlines is, "Today in ______, nearly 600 women were arrested for staging a peaceful protest against the government's policy of separating children from their families and holding them in makeshift detention centers which are incredibly understaffed and essentially cages.".

What countries come to your mind? Saudi Arabia? Iran? North Korea? China? Russia? Turkey?

My guess is not any Western democracy.

I want to believe that people are being over-dramatic about the Republicans (and let's be clear, this isn't Trump... this falls on the Republican party who refuse to end it without receiving more funding for the military and the border wall), but when you see articles like this it's hard to deny that we are really starting to scrape the bottom of the bottle.
We have a major political party, which holds the majority of seats and the top seat of our nation, that arrests people for peacefully protesting state-sanctioned kidnapping. That should scare fucking everyone, left, right and centre.


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Offline Baruch

1960s all over again.  Why not take over the Dean's office at college?

Protests or marches have to be licensed, and the government is particular if you do it on their property.

There used to be arrests at protests all the time back in the day.  Guess those days have returned.
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I want to propose a thought experiment; imagine you are watching the news, and one of the breaking headlines is, "Today in ______, nearly 600 women were arrested for staging a peaceful protest against the government's policy of separating children from their families and holding them in makeshift detention centers which are incredibly understaffed and essentially cages.".

What countries come to your mind? Saudi Arabia? Iran? North Korea? China? Russia? Turkey?

My guess is not any Western democracy.

I want to believe that people are being over-dramatic about the Republicans (and let's be clear, this isn't Trump... this falls on the Republican party who refuse to end it without receiving more funding for the military and the border wall), but when you see articles like this it's hard to deny that we are really starting to scrape the bottom of the bottle.
We have a major political party, which holds the majority of seats and the top seat of our nation, that arrests people for peacefully protesting state-sanctioned kidnapping. That should scare fucking everyone, left, right and centre.




I support the movements.  I hope the activity continues into the 2018 elections.
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Offline Baruch

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I support the movements.  I hope the activity continues into the 2016 elections.

Please riot ... eat National Guard lead?  This is the 60s all over again, this time it will be different.  Pot will be legal this time ;-)
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I'm not a violent man, but shit like this makes me want to strangle someone.

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Offline Baruch

The US has long been a police state ... not recent.  I remember in Walter Cronkite's memoirs, talking about his days as a cub reporter in Houston TX.  Not a nice thing at all ;-(

Yes, your idea, or my idea, of what America is ... is just a dumb as rocks idealization.  Idealists are never happy, only realists can be.  Please don't quote Civics 101 from HS.
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Guys, you should re think your stance about your country.
You are allowing Illegal immigrants into your country that flee their own because of their socialist governments they them self voted for.
due to their incapability to look after them self, they engage in crime, especially drug smuggling.
The worst criminals will try to get into your country, if you simply let them enter.

You do not even realize that the stronger and richer the USA is, the better for all these 3rd world countries.
The poorer the USA, the hungrier the African in Ethiopia, Nigeria, Zimbabwe.
The weaker USA economy, the less healthier blacks, Arabs, and Indians are because of lack of medicine.

Stop any migrant that does not have the capability to not only support himself, but lack any skills it improve the USA.
If you in the USA don't stay the strongest nation on Earth. it is over for the rest of the world!
If you do not continue to build your country with an attitude that nothing is impossible, I am sorry to say, you will end up like South Africa,

Dont be foolish.
WE do not have border control and everyone votes for the ANC.
We have more than 25% unemployment, on register, and only 10 million people paying tax supporting 56 million people.
Everyone now has free medical, but only the employed pays for it. They not only have to contribute to a new tax to have what you had similar to the Obama care, but it is simply a tax on the original taxes that already included medical care, hospitals et.
There is no more proper hospitals, but government hospitals rife with poor medical practices.
Our Universities now have 3rd rated education, and most countries do not even recognize our education anymore.
Our schools are in despair, teachers underpaid and few. Very bad infrastructure, and in some provinces, schools dont even get handbooks in the first 3 months, with some only getting 6 months after schools started.
Our roads and infrastructure is rubbish, our Electricity supplier now produces the same ammount of electricity than what was 20 years ago, with a price 700% higher and 4 times the employees.

Our mines is in danger to be nationalized, our property to be confiscated by the state without any compensation.

No one wants to invest in SA because it will be stupid.

Our borders are open, and we have about 15 million illegal immigrants living in poverty, supporting them self with crime.
We have Black on White murders and rapes unequal on Earth.

And where did this all start?

With the media that made law and order out as a violation of human rights.

No guys, stop your foolishness and be strict upon yourself so you can ensure the freedom you have, will remain for your children.
Greetings from South Africa

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Offline Baruch

All part of taking down the West, courtesy of Soros Inc.
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Offline pr126

They are not called third world anymore.
It is  now “developing countries”, more PC.

Despite the fact that they are reluctant or unwilling to develop.
No matter how much money is thrown at them.
Corruption is more agreeable.

The aid or charities are providing a new Mercedes every few months to the local despot.
The rest can look after themselves.

The migrants have two basic goals in mind. First, to spread Islam. Second, to live free on the taxpayers expense.

There is a perk too, sperm donors to the Europeans.
By the end of this century Europe will be no more.

Europeans will be extint. No more jizya.




« Last Edit: July 04, 2018, 07:36:17 AM by pr126 »
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Offline Baruch

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They are not called third world anymore.
It is  now “developing countries”, more PC.

Despite the fact that they are reluctant or unwilling to develop.
No matter how much money is thrown at them.
Corruption is more agreeable.

The aid or charities are providing a new Mercedes every few months to the local despot.
The rest can look after themselves.

Would happen with the US or Europe ... if colonized by Aztecs ... nobody refuses free money, or free cocoa.
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Guys, you should re think your stance about your country.
You are allowing Illegal immigrants into your country that flee their own because of their socialist governments they them self voted for.
Composition fallacy. Just becasue their electorate elected in those socialist governments, doesn't mean any individual did. By this dubious logic, if Agent Orange fucks everything up then I, who voted against him, am responsible? No. Fuck you. It gives me jeering rights.

A lot of those elections are rigged anyway.

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due to their incapability to look after them self, they engage in crime, especially drug smuggling.
The worst criminals will try to get into your country, if you simply let them enter.
The overwhelming majority of those illegal immigrants do scut work that no American would be caught dead doing. No matter unskilled you are, if you got muscles and a good back, you can always work as a loader. Fuckssake, there are jobs out there that require no special skills. So, no, the overwhelming majority of those people are not working in drug smuggling — there are simply not enough smuggling jobs that can support them all.

All told, the best data suggest that only 2% of illegal immigrants to the US commit any sort of crime, let alone crimes for a living. The other 98% are engaged in otherwise honest work.

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You do not even realize that the stronger and richer the USA is, the better for all these 3rd world countries.
The poorer the USA, the hungrier the African in Ethiopia, Nigeria, Zimbabwe.
The weaker USA economy, the less healthier blacks, Arabs, and Indians are because of lack of medicine.
Based upon the unproven assertion that immigrants weaken us. There's no evidence to that conclusion, and plenty of evidence against.

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Stop any migrant that does not have the capability to not only support himself, but lack any skills it improve the USA.
There will always be a role for those who can lift boxes and harvest crops, until automation takes that kind of job too.

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If you in the USA don't stay the strongest nation on Earth. it is over for the rest of the world!
There's some American exceptionalism! You do realize we have this huge trade deficit, right? Put your thinking cap on: what does that indicate for international trade?

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If you do not continue to build your country with an attitude that nothing is impossible, I am sorry to say, you will end up like South Africa,
South Africa didn't end up the way it is because of migrants.

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Dont be foolish.
WE do not have border control and everyone votes for the ANC.
We have more than 25% unemployment, on register, and only 10 million people paying tax supporting 56 million people.
Everyone now has free medical, but only the employed pays for it. They not only have to contribute to a new tax to have what you had similar to the Obama care, but it is simply a tax on the original taxes that already included medical care, hospitals et.
There is no more proper hospitals, but government hospitals rife with poor medical practices.
Our Universities now have 3rd rated education, and most countries do not even recognize our education anymore.
Our schools are in despair, teachers underpaid and few. Very bad infrastructure, and in some provinces, schools dont even get handbooks in the first 3 months, with some only getting 6 months after schools started.
Our roads and infrastructure is rubbish, our Electricity supplier now produces the same ammount of electricity than what was 20 years ago, with a price 700% higher and 4 times the employees.
Our mines is in danger to be nationalized, our property to be confiscated by the state without any compensation.

No one wants to invest in SA because it will be stupid.
Investing in diamonds has always been profitable.

Still, what does any of this have to do with the US?

Here's the thing: we do have immigration procedures, and our boarders are not officially open, but we also have very very very long boarders with our nearest neighbors and it's impossible to patrol all of it. There are places along our boarder that are extremely hostile to human life and where it is estimated a good thousand migrants die every year trying to enter the country. Yet this is not where Trump wants to build his wall — if he did, I could credit him with some scruples by putting up a physical barrier in a place that couldn't be easily patrolled and was causing deaths. But no.

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Our borders are open, and we have about 15 million illegal immigrants living in poverty, supporting them self with crime.
We have Black on White murders and rapes unequal on Earth.
And where did this all start?
Because you elected thugs to your public offices?

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With the media that made law and order out as a violation of human rights.
The taking away of rights (human or otherwise) without due process is by definition against law and order. We broke from England because they wouldn't treat us like full English citizens with rights, and instead treated us like exploitable money-generators. "Law and order" without due process is just thuggery, because you might be the one finding yourself on the wrong end of it.

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No guys, stop your foolishness and be strict upon yourself so you can ensure the freedom you have, will remain for your children.
Greetings from South Africa
Unless we defend the freedom of everyone, then we are betraying what made us unique in the world for its first 200 years. Unless we stand up for these 600 women who were arrested just for protesting our government behaving like a bunch of thugs, our freedom of assembly and speech is already gone.
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Offline Baruch

Freedom of assembly was gone when President Washington moved against the Whiskey Rebellion and earlier Massachusetts moved against Shay's Rebellion.  You need a permit to assemble, period.  This has been the law for a long time.  Don't like the law, then win a few elections and change it.  Of course for Democrats (1861 and now) elections don't matter, if the guy you didn't want, got elected.  This is why protestors in the 60s were arrested.

Almost all the Bill of Rights have been gutted over the last 200 years ... please get new judges and justices on the bench.  No ... not freedom for everyone, but liberty for everyone.  The Confederacy was for freedom, not liberty.  Today's anarchists are the same.

On South Africa ... yes, your country is a mess.  So is mine (US).  There is no free lunch ... either work hard to fix your country or move to a better one.  My ancestors did both.
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Hakurei Reimu,
I do not think you understand, nor appreciate your democracy.
Your corrupt Hillary Clinton lost the election because the majority of American people was not so stupid to be led down the gutter by her.
If you think you can go haywire in public demonstrations, threatening innocent people, and burning universities like the brain dead communists and socialists in Africa, you do not deserve your citizenship of the United States of America.
Come and live in a communist socialist country with open borders and experience the wholesale rape of the riches of the country.
Your deficit was created by your Obama clan who dont know how the heck to lead a country. All he did was to build a mosque in the white house, and to import Muslims as voting cattle!
And you fell for that BS!
Listen carefully, I am warning you, if you think you can use propaganda where hooligans protested against the law to defame the American people who voted for Trump, you are wrong!
You are doing a great job in teaching your fellow Americans how sadly the lift liberal democrats became.
You should go on your knees and pray to any thing atheists pray too and be thankfull for being so blessed to be an American with LAW, THAT ATTACKS CORRUPTION, MURDER, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, AND STUPID PUBLIC PROTESTERS, who are no less terrorists than those Muslims of 911.
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Hakurei Reimu,
I do not think you understand, nor appreciate your democracy.
I don't particularly care what some stranger says about my understanding of my own democracy, especially one from another country.

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Your corrupt Hillary Clinton lost the election because the majority of American people was not so stupid to be led down the gutter by her.
Uh, actually most of the electorate did vote for Clinton. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by about a million votes. However, the popular vote is not what we elect presidents by; we elect them by electoral votes which builds Simposon's paradox right into our election system.

As to whether Clinton was corrupt, that's arguable. But from what I'd seen before the election, Clinton couldn't hold a candle to Trump. Trump is the businessman that Clinton would have been in the pocket of. Trump even boasted that he could make money being president. That doesn't sound like a person who has America's best interests in heart.

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If you think you can go haywire in public demonstrations, threatening innocent people, and burning universities like the brain dead communists and socialists in Africa, you do not deserve your citizenship of the United States of America.
Except that didn't happen in this case, did it? There was no destruction of property, nor any threatening by those approximately 600 women. No false equivalence for you.

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Come and live in a communist socialist country with open borders and experience the wholesale rape of the riches of the country.
That's because you never developed a proper industry and depended on the export of diamonds to uphold your lifestyle, all the while repressing black natives. Your country was an economic basket case since day one, and now the chickens have come home to roost.

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Your deficit was created by your Obama clan who dont know how the heck to lead a country. All he did was to build a mosque in the white house, and to import Muslims as voting cattle!
PFFT! All false. My country has been in a trade deficit since practically the day I was born four decades ago! Obama was a Christian, and no mosque has ever been built at the White House.

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And you fell for that BS!
Someone who swallows easily-debunked lies is in no position to say that to me.

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Listen carefully, I am warning you, if you think you can use propaganda where hooligans protested against the law to defame the American people who voted for Trump, you are wrong!
Voting for an obvious buffoon and con-man is defamation enough in my book. The notion that someone who ran his businesses into the ground six times will suddenly shape up and do better in the highest office in the land is hilarious.

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You are doing a great job in teaching your fellow Americans how sadly the lift liberal democrats became.
You should go on your knees and pray to any thing atheists pray too and be thankfull for being so blessed to be an American with LAW, THAT ATTACKS CORRUPTION, MURDER, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, AND STUPID PUBLIC PROTESTERS, who are no less terrorists than those Muslims of 911.
Empty posturing. The rule of law is grounded upon due process. If the mere accusation of being an illegal immigrant, a murderer, a corrupt person, or a hooligan is enough to grant you summary sentencing, then you de facto have no rights at all. My country was founded upon the principle that the government can't take away my liberty, my life, or my property without due process of law. But that works only because everyone benefits from that principle, because immigrants, murderers, and the corrupt aren't helpfully labeled so across their foreheads.

I leave you with a poem by Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Offline Baruch

Many countries have made the mistake of just being natural resource producers for others.  Venezuela for instance.  Lack of local economic development, because of a "freebie" can be a bad thing.  In the case of ancient Athens, they took the local silver bonanza from Laurium, and spent the money on the Department of the Navy, which saved them when the Persians arrived.  I doubt except in that one case, that bonanzas have been well spent.

So with S Africa ... diamonds and gold ... both of which are controlled, non-free markets.  Just as OPEC tries to control the price of petroleum.

They also have a lot of very venomous snakes there ...
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