Author Topic: We're screwed: Anthony Kennedy retiring.  (Read 1868 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: We're screwed: Anthony Kennedy retiring.
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2018, 12:41:42 PM »
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You don't want to come to the UK.
One wrong sentence and you find yourself in Room 101 for a quiet chat with the Thought Police.
And re-education.

Reeducation?  He could teach them a thing of two about bourgeoisie socialism.

If the Queen is the head of the Bilderburgers, the idea that the monarchy is powerless, is all smoke and mirrors.
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Online GSOgymrat

Re: We're screwed: Anthony Kennedy retiring.
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2018, 03:27:50 PM »
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Prior to the election everyone knew the Supreme Court appointments were the pivotal issue. Conservatives ignored Trump's bad behavior and liberals ignored Clinton's bad behavior because the Supreme Court was going to be tilted for the next thirty years. I disagree with the man in the video because Trump's actions haven't shown he cares about appeasing anyone except the people who got him into office, who are the Christian conservatives. Why shouldn't he place a Christian conservative justice when Democrats can't stop him? The man in the video says, "Because it doesn't represent what Trump is about. Trump's not far Right." Trump isn't religious either but he has made appointments as though he were a religious conservative. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior and almost all of his appointments are religious conservatives. Trump has been placing conservative justices in the Federal courts as quickly as he can. This is his current pattern of behavior. I agree that Ginsberg is probably next to go. Is Trump going to replace her with a liberal justice to maintain balance? Of course not.
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Offline Shiranu

Re: We're screwed: Anthony Kennedy retiring.
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2018, 06:14:24 PM »
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The USA is a Republic, not a democracy

A Republic IS a democracy.

Just once can you not be ass backwards wrong? Please?

Offline Baruch

Re: We're screwed: Anthony Kennedy retiring.
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2018, 06:21:19 PM »
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Prior to the election everyone knew the Supreme Court appointments were the pivotal issue. Conservatives ignored Trump's bad behavior and liberals ignored Clinton's bad behavior because the Supreme Court was going to be tilted for the next thirty years. I disagree with the man in the video because Trump's actions haven't shown he cares about appeasing anyone except the people who got him into office, who are the Christian conservatives. Why shouldn't he place a Christian conservative justice when Democrats can't stop him? The man in the video says, "Because it doesn't represent what Trump is about. Trump's not far Right." Trump isn't religious either but he has made appointments as though he were a religious conservative. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior and almost all of his appointments are religious conservatives. Trump has been placing conservative justices in the Federal courts as quickly as he can. This is his current pattern of behavior. I agree that Ginsberg is probably next to go. Is Trump going to replace her with a liberal justice to maintain balance? Of course not.

I don't agree.  It is trivial that most Americans are conservative (aka status quo).  It is trivial that most Americans are Christian.  Therefore going potty is a Christian conservative conspiracy (statistically speaking).

Why should the Republicans not have hunting parties for liberals ... like billionaires usually do on their private islands?  The guests check in, but end up on the wall as trophies.  The US is a giant plantation, owned by psycho billionaires.
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Offline Baruch

Re: We're screwed: Anthony Kennedy retiring.
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2018, 06:24:25 PM »
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A Republic IS a democracy.

Just once can you not be ass backwards wrong? Please?

Total fail.  Nazi Germany was a republic (dictatorship specifically).  Not a democracy at all.  Please take Civics 101 again.

Monarchy vs Republic
Democracy vs Autocracy

Nazi Germany was a Autocratic Republic.  King Louis XIV's France was an Autocratic Monarchy.  Ancient Athens was the one and only Democratic Republic.  The US has always been oligarchic (between democratic and autocratic).  Some Scandinavian countries are Democratic Monarchies.
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Offline Draconic Aiur

Re: We're screwed: Anthony Kennedy retiring.
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2018, 06:34:17 PM »
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A Republic IS a democracy.

Just once can you not be ass backwards wrong? Please?

Actually no it isn't.

Offline Shiranu

Re: We're screwed: Anthony Kennedy retiring.
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2018, 06:35:30 PM »
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Total fail.  Nazi Germany was a republic (dictatorship specifically).  Not a democracy at all.  Please take Civics 101 again.


Nazi Germany wasn't a Republic, the Weimer Republic was. Once the Nazi party abolished all political opposition parties, abolished elections, and jailed or killed anyone who didn't agree with them, you cannot call them a state that was ruled by the majority. Nazi Germany did not represent the people, it represented Hitler.

A dictatorship and a republic by their very definitions are mutually incompatible. Please take Polisci, History, Rhetoric and Logic 101 over again.

Offline Shiranu

Re: We're screwed: Anthony Kennedy retiring.
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2018, 06:38:50 PM »
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Actually no it isn't.

Actually, yes it is.

A republic is simply a democracy that has had limits placed on it. At the end of the day, both systems core principle is that the majority hold the majority of power; a republic just makes sure that the majority doesn't hold absolute power and provides protections to the minority.

Republics are merely a subset of democracy, not their own branch of politics.


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Offline Baruch

Re: We're screwed: Anthony Kennedy retiring.
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2018, 06:39:46 PM »
More total fail by Shiranu.  I think you should demand a refund from your college professors.

BTW - yes, socialism can be democratic, or autocratic, depends on how the deciding is done.
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Offline Shiranu

Re: We're screwed: Anthony Kennedy retiring.
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2018, 06:42:03 PM »
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More total fail by Shiranu.  I think you should demand a refund from your college professors.

Don't worry, didn't even have to go to college to know that Hitler's regime wasn't a government run by the people, so no refund needed.


Offline Baruch

Re: We're screwed: Anthony Kennedy retiring.
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2018, 06:45:05 PM »
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Don't worry, didn't even have to go to college to know that Hitler's regime wasn't a government run by the people, so no refund needed.

No, Nazi Germany wasn't democratic ... after dictatorship was declared early in 1933 after the false-flag burning of the Reichstag (parliament building).  But Hitler wasn't a king either, so not a monarchy.  Most definitely both autocratic and crazy militant.

Stalin on the other hand, was the same deal ... an autocratic republic (a dictatorship and not a monarchy).  The difference being that the Soviet Union was extreme socialist (no private property) as well.
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Offline Shiranu

Re: We're screwed: Anthony Kennedy retiring.
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2018, 06:51:53 PM »
I just caught this...

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Ancient Athens was the one and only Democratic Republic.

It would probably be wise not to criticize other people's education when you say such blatantly wrong things such as that.

First, Ancient Athens did not use elected officials, making it by definition not a Republic; the councils that represented large groups were chosen by lot rather than by vote.

Secondly, a republic requires some form of Constitution or central text clearly defining the roles and powers of a representative, which Athens did not have.


Offline Shiranu

Re: We're screwed: Anthony Kennedy retiring.
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2018, 06:56:30 PM »
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But Hitler wasn't a king either, so not a monarchy.  Most definitely both autocratic and crazy militant.

The opposite of monarchy does not equal republic.

Monarchies are a subset of Autocracy, which while Republics are not a part of... Republics are not the only system of governance that is contrary to Autocracy.

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Stalin on the other hand, was the same deal ... an autocratic republic...

Except again, implying that there was any rule of the people in Soviet Russia, and not rule of the Soviet Party (i.e. Stalin and the aristocracy) is simply dead wrong, from both a historical and a logical standpoint.

Offline Baruch

Re: We're screwed: Anthony Kennedy retiring.
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2018, 06:57:11 PM »
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I just caught this...

It would probably be wise not to criticize other people's education when you say such blatantly wrong things such as that.

First, Ancient Athens did not use elected officials, making it by definition not a Republic; the councils that represented large groups were chosen by lot rather than by vote.

Secondly, a republic requires some form of Constitution or central text clearly defining the roles and powers of a representative, which Athens did not have.

Whistling past Shiranu's educational graveyard.  England doesn't have a written constitution.  Yes, having people just show up, who were eligible, each day, up to the first 4000 guys ... pretty much pure democracy (for those qualified).  That was the legislature, on the spot.

You are getting better, you have moved from total fail to half fail.  Of course for your professors, I would strip them of citizenship and exile them to Antarctica.
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Offline Draconic Aiur

Re: We're screwed: Anthony Kennedy retiring.
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2018, 07:00:51 PM »
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Actually, yes it is.

A republic is simply a democracy that has had limits placed on it. At the end of the day, both systems core principle is that the majority hold the majority of power; a republic just makes sure that the majority doesn't hold absolute power and provides protections to the minority.

Republics are merely a subset of democracy, not their own branch of politics.




 

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