Author Topic: Feminism - Before & After  (Read 1122 times)

Re: Feminism - Before & After
« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2018, 10:10:17 AM »
Saying one supports equality is admirable but it doesn't really address the praises and criticisms of feminism, which involve not only the legal rights of women but gender norms and how men and women interact with one another. For example, the message I get from the OP video is mainly a criticism that feminism influences women to abandon traditional norms of female beauty and adopt an attitude that is antagonistic to men. Discussion of "feminism" is difficult because there is no widely accepted concept of what feminism entails and people often end up talking past one another. I prefer when it is broken down into something more manageable, like gender wage gap or gender roles in parenting.
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Re: Feminism - Before & After
« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2018, 10:33:07 AM »
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Well, you have thrown around "communist" accusations at US democrats in the past.  I was being cautious about that.

But you certainly ARE extremely conservative, almost Nazi-like.   But that may be a religious conservatism.  Tell me I'm wrong.



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Re: Feminism - Before & After
« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2018, 11:53:52 AM »
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We don't.

In many states, yes; either through legislation or through cultural norms.

What legal rights do men have that women don't.

Re: Feminism - Before & After
« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2018, 11:55:28 AM »
Honestly if in 2018 you identify as a feminist you should be shot.

Re: Feminism - Before & After
« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2018, 12:14:36 PM »
In every single first world nation on earth women have more legal rights than men.

>Women have the right to genital integrity. Men still get parts of their dick chopped off when they're infants and it's perfectly legal.
>Men are required in by law in the US to sign up for the draft to have access to all the legal rights owed to them as adults.
>In the US, the UK, and elsewhere, the 'duluth model' is used to determine rape and sexual assault - this model literally does not recognise that males can be raped; only that they can rape. Women have the right to be recognised by the state to have actually been raped when they're raped - men don;'t
>The violence against women act In the US is specifically anti-male, reducing the standard of proof, and providing measures and services only for female victims. Consequences for domestic violence often require enrolment in sexist programs that use models of domestic violence such as the Duluth Model, which are distinctly anti-male.

These are all objective, systemic, LEGAL RIGHTS that women have and men don't.

Now, I could get into the absolutely biased-as-fuck court system but for now we'll stick to the objectively observable shit.
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Re: Feminism - Before & After
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2018, 12:17:17 PM »
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But you certainly ARE extremely conservative, almost Nazi-like.   But that may be a religious conservatism.  Tell me I'm wrong.

Nazis were not conservatives.
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National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsi.ɪzəm, ˈnæt-/), is the ideology and practices associated with the Nazi Party – officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party
Which is on the left of the political spectrum, not the "far right" as the common belief today.
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Re: Feminism - Before & After
« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2018, 12:54:23 PM »
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You never fail to surprize me.  Are you unaware that you use to espouse nazi-istic ideas?

But I will stay aware of your current views.  BTW, what are they?

Nazis ate food ... so is eating, Nazi?  You espouse Stalinist ideas?  Maybe not.  But with -ist ... you can label anything as anything.
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Re: Feminism - Before & After
« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2018, 01:24:07 PM »
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Honestly if in 2018 you identify as a feminist you should be shot.
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Re: Feminism - Before & After
« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2018, 01:33:23 PM »
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Nazis ate food ... so is eating, Nazi?  You espouse Stalinist ideas?  Maybe not.  But with -ist ... you can label anything as anything.
The meaning of Nazi is starting to lose its meaning.  All presidents are labeled Nazi by the opposition at one time or another.  It's starting to mean someone you hate.  But it's been a while since we've had an actual Nazi in the White House.  Losers, yes.  Criminals, sure.  Corporate Puppets, of course, but not an actual Nazi.

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Re: Feminism - Before & After
« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2018, 07:08:09 PM »
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What legal rights do men have that women don't.

Only one class of right in the US that I know of ...

It is legal, in private clubs, including country clubs, to exclude people for any reason.  This includes being a woman, a Black or a Jew (see country clubs).  But that is only in so far as they are private ... if they offer public accommodation, they aren't private ... they are subject to discrimination laws.

But that isn't a good example ... technically, private clubs for women can exclude men too.  So yes, basically women have it all in the US, as far as rights

Men do not have a right to a job, to a free lunch, to dates with either sex ... and neither do women.  Men do not have a right to equal pay, and neither do women ...   So again, they are men's equal ... given that the US isn't socialist.  In so far as the government has attempted to promote equality (not egality) then yes, we aren't full communist yet ... and never can be.  The French Revolution was a temporary aberration.
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Re: Feminism - Before & After
« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2018, 07:22:34 PM »
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The meaning of Nazi is starting to lose its meaning.  All presidents are labeled Nazi by the opposition at one time or another.  It's starting to mean someone you hate.  But it's been a while since we've had an actual Nazi in the White House.  Losers, yes.  Criminals, sure.  Corporate Puppets, of course, but not an actual Nazi.

Yes, political labels are false, including communist.  Yes, George Washington was our first Nazi President ... he was a White male.  All White male Presidents are the same, they are Nazis.  But that is OK, everyone thought that FDR was a communist, because he didn't hate Stalin enough, and hated Hitler more .. but American Nazis were the one's who thought that, the same ones who tried to assassinate FDR, and had a coup foiled by General Butler.

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That went down the memory hole like so much else ...

Gen Smedley Butler broke up a planned coup against FDR in 1933 ...

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The original American Feminist wasn't Marxist, she was Roosevelt ...

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She chaired the committee for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for the UN.
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Re: Feminism - Before & After
« Reply #56 on: June 09, 2018, 06:25:08 AM »
But the Feminism that Pr126 talks about ...

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Came directly from the Soviet Union, in 1920.  Not that Ms Margaret Sanger in the US wasn't equally Leftist and racist in that same generation.
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Re: Feminism - Before & After
« Reply #57 on: June 11, 2018, 03:53:57 AM »
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Cavebear wrote:
Nazis were not conservatives.
Here is a clue: You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginWhich is on the left of the political spectrum, not the "far right" as the common belief today.

National Socialism (Nazism) exhibited most forms of authoritarianism usually considered "rightist" in political theory, but there are conflicting views of it.  Some view it as a form of Marxism, though Marxism was essentially international (non-national) in scope.  German socialism did have the "sharing principles, though it was mostly "taking" by the State.  I think overall, Nazism has to be considered a Nationalist and  Conservative movement (harking back to a great past) which a typical conservative view.  Communists generally look forward to a change in the future diminishing the past.

I think both ideas are failures (and history suggests that).  I suspect that a general social democracy is probably the wave of the next few centuries in order for societies to deal with changes most efficiently to balance "general welfare of the whole" with technological advancement.  And some new idea will develop after that.
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