Author Topic: What does the military do for American society?  (Read 485 times)

Offline Baruch

What does the military do for American society?
« on: May 28, 2018, 04:54:35 PM »
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It acts as a sorting machine, that finds smarter people who have had less opportunity and moves them up the social hierarchy.  And it destroys things and kills people.

My personal experience is that less smart people (who maybe shouldn't have volunteered) are in fact detrimental to the organization.  And the very smartest people don't stay for a career, they get out ... so you lose your training investment.  Pretty much a bell curve centered on average intelligence that you want all the people between the standard deviation to do your mission.

Should managers be used?  Is leadership different?  Yet it is ...

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2/3 of managers hurt you.  Take that MBA people.  Find leaders.  In combat, you try to discover people at each level of responsibility, controlling the downside, and that is how you find out successful people in warfare.  The one leader in the US invasion of N Africa eventually failed ... the second leader was eventually successful ...

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Maj Gen Fredendall was a good manager.  Maj Gen Patton was a good leader.  General Eisenhower found that out, by giving personnel selection his best shot, but changing plans as soon as necessary if things weren't working out as planned.

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Offline Cavebear

Re: What does the military do for American society?
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2018, 05:11:48 AM »
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It acts as a sorting machine, that finds smarter people who have had less opportunity and moves them up the social hierarchy.  And it destroys things and kills people.

My personal experience is that less smart people (who maybe shouldn't have volunteered) are in fact detrimental to the organization.  And the very smartest people don't stay for a career, they get out ... so you lose your training investment.  Pretty much a bell curve centered on average intelligence that you want all the people between the standard deviation to do your mission.

Should managers be used?  Is leadership different?  Yet it is ...



2/3 of managers hurt you.  Take that MBA people.  Find leaders.  In combat, you try to discover people at each level of responsibility, controlling the downside, and that is how you find out successful people in warfare.  The one leader in the US invasion of N Africa eventually failed ... the second leader was eventually successful ...



Maj Gen Fredendall was a good manager.  Maj Gen Patton was a good leader.  General Eisenhower found that out, by giving personnel selection his best shot, but changing plans as soon as necessary if things weren't working out as planned.

How about you try to explain that in your own words rather than some videos?  Can you?
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Re: What does the military do for American society?
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2018, 06:30:14 AM »
Sounds like a silly video. The military always have use for stupid people. How many depends on the mission.
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Offline Baruch

Re: What does the military do for American society?
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2018, 06:48:23 AM »
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How about you try to explain that in your own words rather than some videos?  Can you?

I did comment.  And no, I won't quote the dictionary to the lazy.

But I don't condemn Americans who aren't loyal to the government, or patriotic about the idea of America (to saying any do that here).  IF you can't stand videos, can you appreciate audiobooks?  Just asking.

Or you asking me to write a transcript of a video, and doing a line by line, or word by word criticism of it?
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Offline Baruch

Re: What does the military do for American society?
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2018, 06:49:56 AM »
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Sounds like a silly video. The military always have use for stupid people. How many depends on the mission.

We are all stupid.  Some are so stupid, they think that they are different ;-)

Yes, you served, and I salute your stupid ass ;-))

After you die, and if you are buried in a cemetery, then I hope some day some relative, or some stranger, brings you plastic flowers.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: What does the military do for American society?
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2018, 07:35:27 AM »
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I did comment.  And no, I won't quote the dictionary to the lazy.

But I don't condemn Americans who aren't loyal to the government, or patriotic about the idea of America (to saying any do that here).  IF you can't stand videos, can you appreciate audiobooks?  Just asking.

Or you asking me to write a transcript of a video, and doing a line by line, or word by word criticism of it?

Wasn't asking for a transcript.  What I have found though, is that people who depend on quotes or videos etc and can't explain things in their own words, don't understand the concepts.
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Offline Baruch

Re: What does the military do for American society?
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2018, 01:34:05 PM »
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Wasn't asking for a transcript.  What I have found though, is that people who depend on quotes or videos etc and can't explain things in their own words, don't understand the concepts.

Speak for yourself.  I know words better than Humpty Dumpty ;-)
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Offline Cavebear

Re: What does the military do for American society?
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2018, 01:36:10 PM »
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Speak for yourself.  I know words better than Humpty Dumpty ;-)

Given that Humpty Dumpty spoke few words, that is not much of a claim. 
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Offline Baruch

Re: What does the military do for American society?
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2018, 01:36:42 PM »
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Given that Humpty Dumpty spoke few words, that is not much of a claim.

You crack me up! - Humpty Dumpty
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Offline Cavebear

Re: What does the military do for American society?
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2018, 02:15:05 PM »
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You crack me up! - Humpty Dumpty

Check above.  Did you forget YOU mentioned him?

Did you forget to post before you hit "send"?
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Re: What does the military do for American society?
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2018, 02:23:54 PM »
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You crack me up! - Humpty Dumpty
I guess eggs aren't all they're cracked up to be...
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Offline Baruch

Re: What does the military do for American society?
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2018, 07:09:31 PM »
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I guess eggs aren't all they're cracked up to be...

See, much better than Cavebear's response.  Intelligent and funny.
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Re: What does the military do for American society?
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2018, 07:15:56 PM »
It was trite and derivative, but I'm glad you liked it.
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Offline Baruch

Re: What does the military do for American society?
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2018, 07:17:32 PM »
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It was trite and derivative, but I'm glad you liked it.

It doesn't take much to please me.  Cavebear doesn't even try sometimes.
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Re: What does the military do for American society?
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2018, 11:09:24 PM »
Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall. Humpty Dumpty got shot by an M16. All the kings men could not fix him so they took him home in 1000 boxes.😏


What does our military do? hmmm. They give gossip artists something to talk about. They make sure wealthy people dont run out of money. what else🤔? They used to scare foreigners (I dont know if they can do that right now with a Bozo like Trump in charge)....
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