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Offline trdsf

And it was quite a bit earlier than I thought.
« on: May 24, 2018, 03:42:54 PM »
While looking up other things yesterday, I stumbled across this photo, which I had not seen before:



This is the first photo taken from space.

Obviously, some image had to be, and I had always kind of thought in the back of my mind that it was probably in 1957 or 1958 or 1959, maybe a blurry thing from one of the early Sputniks that was notable only for having been the first photo taken from space, and I just never got around to looking it up.

As it turns out, this—a much better image than I thought the first space photo would be—was taken on October 24, 1946, eleven years before Sputnik I, from a repurposed V-2 launched (on a suborbital trajectory, obviously) from White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico.

And that is my cool new fact for the day.  :D
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Re: And it was quite a bit earlier than I thought.
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2018, 04:16:36 PM »
This is V2  #13:

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Re: And it was quite a bit earlier than I thought.
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2018, 04:46:36 PM »
That looks like Flash Gordon's ride to the moon.
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Re: And it was quite a bit earlier than I thought.
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2018, 06:01:44 PM »
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That looks like Flash Gordon's ride to the moon.
Yeah, the similarities were deliberate. "We already have 'spaceships' like that!"
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Re: And it was quite a bit earlier than I thought.
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2018, 06:09:12 PM »
Who would have thought space travel would use the same rocket design developed during the Ming Dynasty?

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Re: And it was quite a bit earlier than I thought.
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2018, 07:03:03 PM »
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Who would have thought space travel would use the same rocket design developed during the Ming Dynasty?

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Offline trdsf

Re: And it was quite a bit earlier than I thought.
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2018, 07:45:01 PM »
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I do love a rocket with fins that inspired Cadillac.
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Re: And it was quite a bit earlier than I thought.
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2018, 08:12:29 PM »
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Who would have thought space travel would use the same rocket design developed during the Ming Dynasty?
Eh?
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Re: And it was quite a bit earlier than I thought.
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2018, 09:06:13 PM »
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Re: And it was quite a bit earlier than I thought.
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2018, 09:16:42 PM »
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
While I somewhat agree, humanity sorely needs a more effective alternative to the liquid-propellant rocket.  It takes so much fuel just to escape earth's gravitywell, let alone haul anything to space.  And then you need more fuel to haul the cargo, then more fuel to haul the fuel...  There's got to be a better way.

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Re: And it was quite a bit earlier than I thought.
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2018, 10:11:49 PM »
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Eh?
Oops!  The Song Dynasty.  I just said Ming because it was the only dynasty I could remember.

Offline Cavebear

Re: And it was quite a bit earlier than I thought.
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2018, 02:36:26 AM »
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While looking up other things yesterday, I stumbled across this photo, which I had not seen before:



This is the first photo taken from space.

Obviously, some image had to be, and I had always kind of thought in the back of my mind that it was probably in 1957 or 1958 or 1959, maybe a blurry thing from one of the early Sputniks that was notable only for having been the first photo taken from space, and I just never got around to looking it up.

As it turns out, this—a much better image than I thought the first space photo would be—was taken on October 24, 1946, eleven years before Sputnik I, from a repurposed V-2 launched (on a suborbital trajectory, obviously) from White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico.

And that is my cool new fact for the day.  :D

I did not realize such a good picture was taken so early.  Thank you!
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Offline Baruch

Re: And it was quite a bit earlier than I thought.
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2018, 08:20:43 AM »
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While I somewhat agree, humanity sorely needs a more effective alternative to the liquid-propellant rocket.  It takes so much fuel just to escape earth's gravitywell, let alone haul anything to space.  And then you need more fuel to haul the cargo, then more fuel to haul the fuel...  There's got to be a better way.

Antigravity fantasy.  Get your gravitons and gravitinos (supersymmetry) here!  Someone asked Feynman about antigravity ... he replied, you already have it, it is called a chair ;-)  Advanced physics doesn't mean a free lunch.  AI/robotics doesn't mean you won't have to work anymore.

Actually, what you are asking for is the physical version of a free lunch.  Stuff came together back in the formation of the solar system.  And not because of political comradeship.  The energy that is required to take something out of the local gravity well, was originally taken out of the kinetic energy of the in-falling matter 4.5 billion years ago.  That is why the Earth's core is still hot.  That and radioactivity and rock is a poor conductor of heat. 

You have to pay for that energy, though you could gather it from solar/wind power, which you didn't pay for (but you have to pay for the solar energy collectors and the windmills), and convert that to rocket fuel.  In the original Jules Verne version, they used a giant cannon in Florida.  Again, chemical energy turned into kinetic energy.  Too bad there isn't an unlimited supply of free gunpowder.
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Re: And it was quite a bit earlier than I thought.
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2018, 01:57:15 PM »
I think it would be good if we could raise the launch platforms to a high altitude, maybe with very large dirigibles, or something. That wouldn't be easy, or cheap, though.
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Re: And it was quite a bit earlier than I thought.
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2018, 02:03:17 PM »
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Antigravity fantasy.  Get your gravitons and gravitinos (supersymmetry) here!  Someone asked Feynman about antigravity ... he replied, you already have it, it is called a chair ;-)  Advanced physics doesn't mean a free lunch.  AI/robotics doesn't mean you won't have to work anymore.

Actually, what you are asking for is the physical version of a free lunch.  Stuff came together back in the formation of the solar system.  And not because of political comradeship.  The energy that is required to take something out of the local gravity well, was originally taken out of the kinetic energy of the in-falling matter 4.5 billion years ago.  That is why the Earth's core is still hot.  That and radioactivity and rock is a poor conductor of heat. 

You have to pay for that energy, though you could gather it from solar/wind power, which you didn't pay for (but you have to pay for the solar energy collectors and the windmills), and convert that to rocket fuel.  In the original Jules Verne version, they used a giant cannon in Florida.  Again, chemical energy turned into kinetic energy.  Too bad there isn't an unlimited supply of free gunpowder.
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