$153,000 For a Rattlesnake Bite

Started by Shiranu, May 23, 2018, 12:09:41 AM

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Baruch

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on May 23, 2018, 07:50:58 PM
hospital has yet to sue me for a bandaid costing 600 dollars

Collection agency still has a full box of bandaids.  When they run out ...
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Draconic Aiur

Quote from: Baruch on May 23, 2018, 11:13:55 PM
Collection agency still has a full box of bandaids.  When they run out ...

its been almost 2.5 years

Gilgamesh

Shiranu what is the alternative? Do you want to force people to charge less for their services by force?

Sal1981

There's universal health care here, only costing 150 dkk a month (about 20 bucks a month), only the dentists have their own payments and those are also low because they are covered, in part, by the UHC. A trip to the dentist for my annual check-up costs me only 1,000 dkk with that coverage.

That bill in OP is insane. What the hell are they doing in the pharmacy that costs 83k ?

Gilgamesh

Quote from: Sal1981 on May 24, 2018, 05:48:34 AM


That bill in OP is insane. What the hell are they doing in the pharmacy that costs 83k ?

They are charging for their applied knowledge to service you.

Sal1981

Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 24, 2018, 05:50:08 AM
They are charging for their applied knowledge to service you.
I get that R&D costs money, but holy hell, 83k for one patient???

Gilgamesh

Quote from: Sal1981 on May 24, 2018, 05:58:12 AM
I get that R&D costs money, but holy hell, 83k for one patient???

They can charge what they want as long as they aren't forced by violence by the state to do otherwise. After all, you aren't forced to use their services.

Sal1981

Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 24, 2018, 06:01:01 AM
They can charge what they want as long as they aren't forced by violence by the state to do otherwise. After all, you aren't forced to use their services.
I'm sure I would go to a competitor with lower prices ...

Gilgamesh

Quote from: Sal1981 on May 24, 2018, 06:03:38 AM
I'm sure I would go to a competitor with lower prices ...

All competitors are going to charge roughly the same - as is their right. Well, it's their right so long as - again - the state doesn't compel them by threat of violence to do otherwise.

Gilgamesh

By the way. I am FOR socialised medicine.

I just want people to understand that socialised medicine is immoral. They need to understand that to install socialised medicine is to enact injustice upon individuals for the sake of the collective. If you understand this and reason that it's still worth it, then so be it; at least you know what your position really is.

Socialised medicine is the state forcing individuals to charge for their services what the state deems is right to charge. Failing to comply will be met with a gun pointed at you: armed police hauling you off to rot in a cell.


SGOS

#25
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 24, 2018, 06:18:11 AM
By the way. I am FOR socialised medicine.  I just want people to understand that socialised medicine is immoral.
An example of immorality is a monopoly extorting the collective.

Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 24, 2018, 06:18:11 AM
They need to understand that to install socialised medicine is to enact injustice upon individuals for the sake of the collective. If you understand this and reason that it's still worth it, then so be it; at least you know what your position really is.
When a monopoly uses extortion to drain the recourses of the collective, it is not injustice to force them to stop.

Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 24, 2018, 06:18:11 AM
Socialised medicine is the state forcing individuals to charge for their services what the state deems is right to charge.
This is not likely in the US, where capitalism prevails, but it would not be immoral where the monopoly is taking advantage.

Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 24, 2018, 06:18:11 AM
Failing to comply will be met with a gun pointed at you: armed police hauling you off to rot in a cell.
Hyperbole!  This is only necessary when a criminal refuses to abide by the law.


Baruch

#26
Quote from: Gilgamesh on May 24, 2018, 06:18:11 AM
By the way. I am FOR socialised medicine.

I just want people to understand that socialised medicine is immoral. They need to understand that to install socialised medicine is to enact injustice upon individuals for the sake of the collective. If you understand this and reason that it's still worth it, then so be it; at least you know what your position really is.

Socialised medicine is the state forcing individuals to charge for their services what the state deems is right to charge. Failing to comply will be met with a gun pointed at you: armed police hauling you off to rot in a cell.

Enslave the doctors and nurses.  Non-compliant dentists will be forced to practice proctology as penance ;-)

There is no such thing as society - Margaret Thatcher.

However, monopolies only exist, where there is government regulation (and campaign contributions).  They don't occur naturally aside from the mindless herd behavior of the "collective".
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Shiranu

QuoteI just want people to understand that socialised medicine is immoral.

Not remotely as immoral as forcing people to die, or crippled by debt, all so people can make money off of you being sick or injured.

QuoteFailing to comply will be met with a gun pointed at you: armed police hauling you off to rot in a cell.

And I say good! If a private citizen was giving you the option of dying or paying them $100,000+, that would be attempted murder and you bet your ass the police would threaten you at gun point. If you are looking to exploit people's health and life for money, then you can't complain when someone else threatens your life for doing so.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Baruch

#28
Quote from: Shiranu on May 24, 2018, 07:20:37 AM
Not remotely as immoral as forcing people to die, or crippled by debt, all so people can make money off of you being sick or injured.

And I say good! If a private citizen was giving you the option of dying or paying them $100,000+, that would be attempted murder and you bet your ass the police would threaten you at gun point. If you are looking to exploit people's health and life for money, then you can't complain when someone else threatens your life for doing so.

Every human being is required to die.  Complain to G-d if you can.  The only difference lies in the details.  "I have a right as a materialist to not credit G-d with this mess, and to use high technology, for free, to extend my dissolute life of no-exercise and lots of STD women etc).  Per your example, the ends justify the means.  So if I needed $100,000 to fix my kidneys, temporarily, to say extend my life by 5 years (say I need a transplant) then it is OK to rob a bank for the money for the procedure and beat up someone with a compatible kidney and take his kidney (or both, for being a capitalist ass about it all).  Or I can have the government steal the money and the kidney for me #The Resistance.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Gilgamesh

Quote from: SGOS on May 24, 2018, 07:11:22 AM
When a monopoly uses extortion to drain the recourses of the collective, it is not injustice to force them to stop.
Sure. But that's not what medical practitioners are doing. They aren't forcing you to use their services.

QuoteHyperbole!  This is only necessary when a criminal refuses to abide by the law.
Right. And when the state says you are no longer allowed to decide what to charge for your services, you are a criminal if you exercise your inalienable right to do so.