Author Topic: Supreme Court Votes Against Worker's Rights  (Read 1117 times)

Online Shiranu

Supreme Court Votes Against Worker's Rights
« on: May 22, 2018, 05:05:10 PM »
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In a case involving the rights of tens of millions of private sector employees, the U.S. Supreme Court, by a 5-4 vote, delivered a major blow to workers, ruling for the first time that workers may not band together to challenge violations of federal labor laws.
Writing for the majority, Justice Neil Gorsuch said that the 1925 Federal Arbitration Act trumps the National Labor Relations Act and that employees who sign employment agreements to arbitrate claims must do so on an individual basis — and may not band together to enforce claims of wage and hour violations.
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She noted that workers' claims are usually small, and many workers fear retaliation. For these reasons, she said, relatively few workers avail themselves of the arbitration option. On the other hand, these problems are largely solved by a class-action suit brought in court on behalf of many employees.
The inevitable result of Monday's decision, she warned, will be huge underenforcement of federal and state laws designed to advance the well-being of vulnerable workers. It is up to Congress, she added, to correct the court's action.
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Each required its individual employees, as a condition of employment, to waive their rights to join a class-action suit. In all three cases, employees tried to sue together, maintaining that the amounts they could obtain in individual arbitration were dwarfed by the legal fees they would have to pay. Ginsburg's dissent noted that a typical Ernst & Young employee would likely have to spend $200,000 to recover only about $1,900 in overtime pay.
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Employment lawyers were elated. Ron Chapman, who represents management in labor-management disputes, said he expects small and large businesses alike to immediately move to impose these binding arbitration contracts to eliminate the fear of costly class-action verdicts from juries. "It gives employers the green light to eliminate their single largest employment law risk with the stroke of a pen," he said.

Remember, it's the Catholics Muslims, the Communists "Socialists" (Progressives) and the anarchists "SJWs" we need to be afraid of! Any day now they will come and take all our rights away! They will ruin our economy! The threat is real, I tell you!!!!!

These mother fuckers were installed by Republicans. These dudes are the ones who vote against workers' rights, who voted for Citizens United (Corporations are "human beings" with the right to "free speech' (bribery), who voted to get rid of Voting Rights Act-era protections for low-income and minority voters, who voted against ACA and allowed states to op out (meaning literally thousands of people died and countless more suffered because of it), who voted in Connick vs Thompson that the prosecution department cannot be held responsible for wrongfully imprisoning someone even if the state illegally supresssess information proving their innocence... and so on.


These dudes were voted in because of YOUR ideology. That blood is on your hands, and I'm so fucking sick and tired of hearing about how your boogieman of some random ass woman teaching her child about consent is going to be the down fall of civilization. Ad hom? You deserve to be attacked as individuals, you people are fucking idiots if you really think SJW are whats going to destroy Western civilization while you further the rhetoric that leads to shit like this.
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Offline Draconic Aiur

Re: Supreme Court Votes Against Worker's Rights
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2018, 05:27:34 PM »
I keep on hearing this "you" when most of us here didn't want the strike off either. Shiranu is too left to care it seems.

Online Shiranu

Re: Supreme Court Votes Against Worker's Rights
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2018, 05:32:11 PM »
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I keep on hearing this "you" when most of us here didn't want the strike off either. Shiranu is too left to care it seems.

I really didn't think I was being subtle about who that point was aimed at...

Since it was apparently not blunt enough, I meant "you" as in the three or four people here who are obsessed with "the left" bringing about the end of the world while shouting the exact same rhetoric that got these people's bosses elected, that these people themselves shout.

Edit: I guess only two or three, since one finally jumped far enough into the deep end...
« Last Edit: May 22, 2018, 05:54:05 PM by Shiranu »
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Offline Munch

Re: Supreme Court Votes Against Worker's Rights
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2018, 06:37:28 PM »
Seems you were looking for something to use as fodder to argue against those few who call out the worst of the left here, rather then actually wanted to discuss the issue itself.

Think your lost on the fact those here who dislike the radical left aren't joining in the rights move, rather they would sooner question the worst sides of both these things, then just being complacent on one side.

I'm a brit, so have zero to do with whoever voted who in your elections over there, but I can easily see the issues both your political parties have and those following them.

your problem is, you are, completely one sided, your showing it here in your outrage that anyone who doesn't share your political dynamic is the enemy. I myself value a balance of both sides, and when one side goes to far over, you get what your raging about here, as well as what you seem to ignore fully by what you mentioned before on the left.

Sorry that things aren't as black and white for you as you want them to be.

Online Shiranu

Re: Supreme Court Votes Against Worker's Rights
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2018, 06:43:38 PM »
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Seems you were looking for something to use as fodder to argue against those few who call out the worst of the left here, rather then actually wanted to discuss the issue itself.

There is, frankly, nothing to discuss on this issue. I am more than happy to say there is wiggle room in social issues, economic issues, yada yada, but if you agree with the Supreme Court on this... you are wrong. Period. (Edit: Unless you are some type of big money corporate man, in which case... congrats on the W.)

I didn't post this to discuss it, I posted it to share it because it's not something I've seen talked about here on the forum or even on most media outlet even though it is one of the more sizable blows to worker rights I've seen in my lifetime. Again, I don't expect even you or someone like Gilga to be in favour of this, so there is nothing to discuss. Literally everyone here is going to agree it is a wrong move. There is nothing to discuss when everyone agrees, right?


Edit: Nah, it aint even worth addressing the rest. I'll let your hypocrisy speak for itself.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2018, 06:52:49 PM by Shiranu »
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Offline Munch

Re: Supreme Court Votes Against Worker's Rights
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2018, 06:54:05 PM »
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There is, frankly, nothing to discuss on this issue. I am more than happy to say there is wiggle room in social issues, economic issues, yada yada, but if you agree with the Supreme Court on this... you are wrong. Period.



I never said I agreed with the court, seems you missed the point there.

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I didn't post this to discuss it, I posted it to share it because it's not something I've seen talked about here on the forum or even on most media outlet even though it is one of the more sizable blows to worker rights I've seen in my lifetime. Again, I don't expect even you or someone like Gilga to be in favour of this, so there is nothing to discuss. Literally everyone here is going to agree it is a wrong move.

okay.. then if you know that, why go on a tangent about trying to single people out as if their to blame, about their ideology?

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Edit: Nah, it aint even worth addressing the rest. I'll let your hypocrisy speak for itself.

okay.
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Online Shiranu

Re: Supreme Court Votes Against Worker's Rights
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2018, 07:04:41 PM »
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I never said I agreed with the court, seems you missed the point there.

Never said you did. Seems you missed the point there.

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okay.. then if you know that, why go on a tangent about trying to single people out as if their to blame, about their ideology?

Because one ideology is responsible for the election of politicians who elected these Justices to the court.

Spoiler alert; it's the one you almost* exclusively side with when any political issue, and realistically every social issue, is brought up on the forum. It's the side centralist and leftists both said, "Yeah, you realise those guys are batshit, right?" and your side latched onto them anyways because, "They are against SJW boogiemen and Mooslims!".


*key word being almost; you are on the right side it seems when it comes to gun regulation, so 100% fair play to you on that.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2018, 07:06:44 PM by Shiranu »
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Re: Supreme Court Votes Against Worker's Rights
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2018, 07:09:12 PM »
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I didn't post this to discuss it, I posted it to share it because it's not something I've seen talked about here on the forum or even on most media outlet even though it is one of the more sizable blows to worker rights I've seen in my lifetime.

When I saw this online I looked at some of the conservative media outlets for their take on this ruling. I didn't find much, for example, Fox News just copied the Associated Press report. Given that Trump wanted this ruling, I'm curious how Trump's working-class supporters will rationalize that using an arbitration service chosen by their employer to obtain their unpaid overtime is actually in their best interests.
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Online Shiranu

Re: Supreme Court Votes Against Worker's Rights
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2018, 07:26:50 PM »
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When I saw this online I looked at some of the conservative media outlets for their take on this ruling. I didn't find much, for example, Fox News just copied the Associated Press report. Given that Trump wanted this ruling, I'm curious how Trump's working-class supporters will rationalize that using an arbitration service chosen by their employer to obtain their unpaid overtime is actually in their best interests.

Who knows? My guess is, at best, like everyone else they will be exposed to just the most absolutely basic headline about it and not really realise just how much it screws the working class over. Unless the Democrats held the Republicans feet to the fire over it, no one will remember it in two weeks, much less voting day... and I'm not going to hold my breath on the Dems growing a spine and fighting for what's right.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Supreme Court Votes Against Worker's Rights
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2018, 08:23:33 PM »
Back to the salt mines, peasants!

Do you expect lawyers, judges, politicians to have any sympathy for anyone who isn't just like them?  Remember the Dred Scott decision?  Yeah, SCOTUS hit the ball out of the early baseball park with that one.  Why have collective bargaining on teams?  Obvious collectivism designed to undermine the team owners.  Let the pro sports folks pick cotton in the off season?  Ever see the original Rollerball?
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Online Shiranu

Re: Supreme Court Votes Against Worker's Rights
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2018, 08:25:12 PM »
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Do you expect lawyers, judges, politicians to have any sympathy for anyone who isn't just like them?

Yes.
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Offline Baruch

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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2018, 08:28:20 PM »
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Yes.

Please don't grow up until you are 30, then report to the "birthday committee" at Logan's Run.

I hate the fact that life leads to cynicism.  But other than maniacs, I don't see anyone happy in the long run (see Marry Poppins uncle).
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Supreme Court Votes Against Worker's Rights
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2018, 12:46:55 AM »
Unless a more progressive Supreme Court comes to be, this pattern of eliminating the rights of workers will continue.  Rights of the working class will erode, protection of Companies will increase.

Suppose there was a sign on every road that said "Your use of this road constitutes an agreement that the State can search your house/car/person at any time for any reason".  You would drive on the road because you really have little choice.  That's the same as internet services agreements. 

You can't function in today's society without using those internet services.  You can either agree or go off grid completely.  It is time for a change to the laws about service agreements.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Supreme Court Votes Against Worker's Rights
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2018, 07:46:51 AM »
You aren't an owner?  Then you get no influence.  Got a vote?  Worthless drill thrall bait.

You are a debt slave now, you not only owe your own debt, you also owe the national debt, which has skyrocketed since 1971 (when Nixon screwed the universe).  Aren't wealthy enough to not work?  Yes, retirees are wealthy, if you don't work you don't eat.  So if you aren't wealthy you are a wage slave.  So chattel slavery will come back, but not racist ... everyone will be in chains, out in the hot sun, picking cotton, while still claiming how special they are, and what rights they have.  Except the wealthy.  Ever hear of latifundia in the Roman Empire?  Plantations with slaves, lots of slaves ... corporate farming without the modern machinery.  When the oil gets expensive, we will do agriculture by hand, as it was in the bad old days.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Supreme Court Votes Against Worker's Rights
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2018, 11:00:49 AM »
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You aren't an owner?  Then you get no influence.  Got a vote?  Worthless drill thrall bait.

You are a debt slave now, you not only owe your own debt, you also owe the national debt, which has skyrocketed since 1971 (when Nixon screwed the universe).  Aren't wealthy enough to not work?  Yes, retirees are wealthy, if you don't work you don't eat.  So if you aren't wealthy you are a wage slave.  So chattel slavery will come back, but not racist ... everyone will be in chains, out in the hot sun, picking cotton, while still claiming how special they are, and what rights they have.  Except the wealthy.  Ever hear of latifundia in the Roman Empire?  Plantations with slaves, lots of slaves ... corporate farming without the modern machinery.  When the oil gets expensive, we will do agriculture by hand, as it was in the bad old days.

Man, you are one screwed-up son-of-a

Gun...  LOL!
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