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Offline Baruch

An example of why atheists are afraid of philosophy ...
« on: May 20, 2018, 11:29:06 AM »
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If you get past whatever intellectual dogma you follow, your world view might collapse.  This is why Marxists have to promote materialism ... because Marx's analysis is based on it.  If materialism is wrong, then so is Marxism.  And of course if materialism is correct, then religion is wrong.  So intellectually, not just politically, Marxists have to get rid of religion .. promote atheism.  So basically they move in parallel, atheism and Marxism aren't causes of each other, but they stem from the same underlying ideas.
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Re: An example of why atheists are afraid of philosophy ...
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2018, 11:43:32 AM »
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Re: An example of why atheists are afraid of philosophy ...
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2018, 11:57:08 AM »
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Re: An example of why atheists are afraid of philosophy ...
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2018, 02:41:29 PM »
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 So basically they move in parallel, atheism and Marxism aren't causes of each other, but they stem from the same underlying ideas.
Basically, that is simply bullshit.  All the marxists and atheists I know all drank milk as a child.  I believe milk produces both atheism and marxism. 
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Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Baruch

Re: An example of why atheists are afraid of philosophy ...
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2018, 03:24:36 PM »
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Basically, that is simply bullshit.  All the marxists and atheists I know all drank milk as a child.  I believe milk produces both atheism and marxism.

The common cause at the root of all human behavior, is something called "human nature".  However this isn't "good news", because humans are really bad monkeys.
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Offline aitm

Re: An example of why atheists are afraid of philosophy ...
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2018, 04:43:59 PM »
Philosophy is very important for those people who have such dedication to it to proclaim it is indeed the most important of all things to study. Leave them alone and nod your head as if you agree.....if keeps them from fucking up real shit in the world.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Offline Baruch

Re: An example of why atheists are afraid of philosophy ...
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2018, 05:54:11 PM »
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Philosophy is very important for those people who have such dedication to it to proclaim it is indeed the most important of all things to study. Leave them alone and nod your head as if you agree.....if keeps them from fucking up real shit in the world.

Socialists leaders usually are self proclaimed intellectuals ... so yes, we need to ignore such people.
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Re: An example of why atheists are afraid of philosophy ...
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2018, 05:55:55 PM »
Can you give us an example of a socialist leader who proclaimed him/her self to be an intellectual?
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Offline Baruch

Re: An example of why atheists are afraid of philosophy ...
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2018, 06:04:01 PM »
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Can you give us an example of a socialist leader who proclaimed him/her self to be an intellectual?

Robespierre, Marx, Engels, Lenin (not Stalin or Mao, they were too busy killing people to read).  All these folks read Plato's Republic, converted the Myth of Er into the Myth of Equality, and tried to implement the mad ravings of the inventor of a colorful toddler toy (Play-Do).

The only socialist who really "got" this was Pol Pot.  He understood after having taken over Cambodia, it was necessary to kill anyone else who could read or write.  After you climb the political ladder, pull it up after you.
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Re: An example of why atheists are afraid of philosophy ...
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2018, 06:12:42 PM »
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Robespierre, Marx, Engels, Lenin

Got any quotes to show they called themselves intellectuals?


 
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(not Stalin or Mao, they were too busy killing people to read).

They probably didn't do much of the actual killing themselves, they knew how to delegate, so they should've had plenty of time to read.

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Offline Baruch

Re: An example of why atheists are afraid of philosophy ...
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2018, 09:00:14 PM »
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Got any quotes to show they called themselves intellectuals?


 
They probably didn't do much of the actual killing themselves, they knew how to delegate, so they should've had plenty of time to read.

Since Hitler never killed anyone directly as far as we know, not even in WW I ... he is innocent, right?

As close as Google, you lazy boy ...

For Marx/Engels there is Communist Manifesto, Das Capital etc.

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I don't think Lenin was a good philosopher, he was opposed to Ernst Mach (who inspired Einstein, but who was opposed to atomic theory ... just as Einstein was later opposed to quantum theory).  Even communists can be dogmatic about materialism.  Einstein was your typical pacifist socialist of that period.

I bet you didn't know that Capt Picard was Lenin ...

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Offline Cavebear

Re: An example of why atheists are afraid of philosophy ...
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2018, 04:49:01 AM »
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Philosophy is very important for those people who have such dedication to it to proclaim it is indeed the most important of all things to study. Leave them alone and nod your head as if you agree.....if keeps them from fucking up real shit in the world.

You get right to the heart of things, LOL!
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