Author Topic: Do we owe Muslims another apology?  (Read 1798 times)

Online Baruch

Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2018, 05:03:16 PM »
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Is there such a thing as an unrevealed religion?

The ecoli bacteria ... they live in your gut ... it is best that only the proctologist or gastroenterologist sees their religion ;-)

Actually per Mahayana Buddhism, truth is beyond any thought or language or attitude or emotion ... truth is transcendent.  It can never be revealed, but it can be experienced.  So per GIA ... he may have experienced it.  But he can never communicate it.  Pretty much Cassandra strikes again.  If you have to unlearn anything learned (aka bias) since you were conceived (What was the face of your parents before they were born?) ... you pretty much can't get there from here.  Nihilism of epistemology ... knowing is not knowing.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2018, 02:44:22 PM »
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Is there such a thing as an unrevealed religion?

Certainly. None of the knowledge and wisdom seeking religions have supernatural Gods.

Knowledge and wisdom might be seen as self revealing as we discover new things as we evolve.

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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2018, 03:10:34 PM »
We may soon owe them an apology, after the coming war:

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As McCain sang, "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."


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"Over the course of my career as an undercover officer in the C.I.A, I saw Russian intelligence manipulate many people. I never thought I would see the day when an American president would be one of them."
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2018, 05:16:19 PM »
An Israeli war is likely overdue.

Too many chiefs in the M. E. and not enough warriors.

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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2018, 05:21:59 PM »
Yeah, I'm sure the Christians believe Armageddon is coming soon, to a theater of war "over there."
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"Over the course of my career as an undercover officer in the C.I.A, I saw Russian intelligence manipulate many people. I never thought I would see the day when an American president would be one of them."
Will Hurd

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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2018, 08:06:21 PM »
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Yeah, I'm sure the Christians believe Armageddon is coming soon, to a theater of war "over there."

No, they expect a civil war in the West, and liberals being invited to a weenie roast ;-(

Auto-da-fe superseded by auto-da-hot-dog.

Israel under Bibi?  Not a good thing.  Iran getting too big for their britches ... definitely not good (see Cyrus, King of Kings).  Neo-cons promise this and that regime change ... and it doesn't always go that way.  We have been trying to overthrow Iran since 1979 ... hasn't worked yet for the coyote geniuses at Langley.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2018, 08:09:41 PM »
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An Israeli war is likely overdue.

Too many chiefs in the M. E. and not enough warriors.

Regards
DL

Old men send young men to war.  Ageist for sure.  I would send the rich old men.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2018, 08:32:46 PM »
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Old men send young men to war.  Ageist for sure.  I would send the rich old men.

That would be nice if we could make it so.

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War may be inevitable, given that young men love it and old men love seeing it in them.
 
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2018, 08:48:11 PM »
Ares, Mars, Nietzsche ...

Avigdor Lieberman is Israeli Defense Minister.  He heads a secular party of former Soviet Jews who came to Israel after the collapse of the Soviet Union.  He may crave the destruction of of Putin ... and will show no mercy on Persians or Syrians.  So are secular people always pacifist?  Didn't think so.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2018, 04:42:47 AM »
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That would be nice if we could make it so.

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War may be inevitable, given that young men love it and old men love seeing it in them.
 
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DL

I did not love war as a young man.  Seeking ways to get killed early was not exactly my idea of how to use up my life.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2018, 06:39:43 AM »
In the movie Anzio, 1968 film, stars Robert Mitchum (as a war correspondent) and Peter Falk as a Ranger.  Peter Falk's character says he loves war, his lifestyle makes him live more than anyone else.  I think at the end Mitchum's character paraphrases Lee ...

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Gen Lee more famously said at the Battle of Fredericksburg ... "It is well that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it."

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I am at peace, because I choose peace.  Even if we are on the brink of WW III.

The US healed its bitter divisions by focusing its aggression against Native Americans and Spain.  Though some veterans of course, were never reconciled.  Many Confederates fled overseas to Latin America or Egypt (as military instructors).
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2018, 02:13:36 PM »
Some people are still not reconciled. They think the South's gonna rise again. Maybe they believe that's the way to make America great again?
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"Over the course of my career as an undercover officer in the C.I.A, I saw Russian intelligence manipulate many people. I never thought I would see the day when an American president would be one of them."
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2018, 03:17:27 PM »
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Some people are still not reconciled. They think the South's gonna rise again. Maybe they believe that's the way to make America great again?

And there are Damn Yankees who want to march thru Georgia every decade or so.  Self righteousness doesn't respect party.  I am reconciled ... but if you pay attention to real people, rather than ideals, it is clear that many people are still problematic.  To be reconciled, I had to avoid ideology ... to appreciate the arguments on both sides, and see the whole conflict at tragedy (as history alway is).  Human beings are always in conflict, and history is always tragedy.  So I can't take idealistic POV seriously.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2018, 04:57:52 PM »
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Ares, Mars, Nietzsche ...

Avigdor Lieberman is Israeli Defense Minister.  He heads a secular party of former Soviet Jews who came to Israel after the collapse of the Soviet Union.  He may crave the destruction of of Putin ... and will show no mercy on Persians or Syrians.  So are secular people always pacifist?  Didn't think so.

So are secular people always pacifist?

Hell no. War is justifiable.

The West against Germany and the North against the slave owning South are two wars that were well worth the fight.

I do not turn the other cheek, the Western version and not the Jewish version that is, and do not think evil should be rewarded with good.

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DL

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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2018, 05:00:09 PM »
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So are secular people always pacifist?

Hell no. War is justifiable.

The West against Germany and the North against the slave owning South are two wars that were well worth the fight.

I do not turn the other cheek, the Western version and not the Jewish version that is, and do not think evil should be rewarded with good.

Regards
DL

See, we could be reconciled with Germany, after they were defeated.
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