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Offline Cavebear

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #165 on: June 05, 2018, 05:11:39 AM »
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Huh?

The video actually seemed pointless.  My apologies.  I listened to 9 minutes of it and gave up finding any useful information.  Maybe I just am too familiar with the subject.
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Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #166 on: June 05, 2018, 01:36:56 PM »
I don't know which vid you're referring to, since the page I posted has many vids from which to choose.
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Offline pr126

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #167 on: June 05, 2018, 02:14:39 PM »
Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?

Which religion isn't?


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Offline Cavebear

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #168 on: June 05, 2018, 04:52:57 PM »
I once asked a Jewish friend if Judaism had ever been violent and he said (with complete confidence) it had not.  I laughed.

I once asked a Christian friend if Christianity had ever been violent and he said it had not.  I laughed. 

I don't have any Moslem friends, but I'm sure they would say the same.

Theists are nuts...
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Offline Baruch

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #169 on: June 05, 2018, 06:03:59 PM »
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I once asked a Jewish friend if Judaism had ever been violent and he said (with complete confidence) it had not.  I laughed.

I once asked a Christian friend if Christianity had ever been violent and he said it had not.  I laughed. 

I don't have any Moslem friends, but I'm sure they would say the same.

Theists are nuts...

I polled two random people who don't know you, and they all agree you are nuts (seems about right).

Isn't your evidence, evidence of ideology?

Capitalism isn't bad, it just hasn't been tried yet?

Socialism isn't bad, it just hasn't been tried yet?

If you count all the atheists in Israel, as Jewish atheists, they are quite violent.  See Gaza.

Every group has 20/20 myopia and virtue signaling.

Example .. all true Israelis are true Jews, and all true Jews are like Gandhi ... pacifists.  Because all true Jews are Hindu.  Except Hindus are violent too.
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Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #170 on: June 11, 2018, 02:33:56 PM »
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Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?

Which religion isn't?




Those that seek wisdom and knowledge and put man above God. Imaginary Gods that is.

Regards
DL

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #171 on: June 11, 2018, 02:35:32 PM »
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I once asked a Jewish friend if Judaism had ever been violent and he said (with complete confidence) it had not.  I laughed.

I once asked a Christian friend if Christianity had ever been violent and he said it had not.  I laughed. 

I don't have any Moslem friends, but I'm sure they would say the same.

Theists are nuts...

Indoctrinated and brain dead for sure.

All are who put their tribal affiliations ahead of their morals.

Regards
DL

Offline Cavebear

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #172 on: June 11, 2018, 02:53:24 PM »
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Those that seek wisdom and knowledge and put man above God. Imaginary Gods that is.

Regards
DL

What gods can there be but imaginary?  Can you describe it in any terms that would make it different from the rest.

Were you on vacation, BTW?  It seems a while since I saw you last.
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Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #173 on: June 11, 2018, 03:11:35 PM »
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What gods can there be but imaginary?  Can you describe it in any terms that would make it different from the rest.

Were you on vacation, BTW?  It seems a while since I saw you last.

I have been busy of late. Good old summertime.

Remember that even some of the old Emperors used to declare themselves to be Gods and their sons, sons of God.

Further, in ancient days, it was rightly believed that nothing could be known of the supernatural realm.

That and more is why my God is I am. Follow the logic trail.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our God "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
   
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

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Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.

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The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural.

Regards
DL





 


Offline Baruch

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #174 on: June 11, 2018, 06:01:53 PM »
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What gods can there be but imaginary?  Can you describe it in any terms that would make it different from the rest.

Were you on vacation, BTW?  It seems a while since I saw you last.

What political parties can there be, except the ideological aka imaginary?
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #175 on: June 16, 2018, 04:55:20 AM »
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The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural.

Regards
DL

I always smile at the way theists show clouds to describe their deity... 
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Offline trdsf

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #176 on: June 16, 2018, 08:55:17 PM »
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I always smile at the way theists show clouds to describe their deity...
Except, of course, that clouds actually exist.  :)
Sir Terry Pratchett, on being told about the theory that the universe is a computer simulation: "If we all get out and in again, would it start to work properly this time?"

Offline Cavebear

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #177 on: June 20, 2018, 02:51:44 AM »
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Except, of course, that clouds actually exist.  :)

Well, OF COURSE!  They had to find SOMETHING that was real...

And I sometimes wonder what a fish might imagine a deity to be.  Would it be a grasshopper moving on the surface or the hook attached to it?  Would an artificial lure be the Devil and an unhooked worm tossed from a boat be Manna from a deity?  Do the fish wonder about the shape of the boat passing over be a proof of evil or a proof of a deity?

Are 75% of humans smarter than the fish?
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Offline Baruch

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #178 on: June 20, 2018, 06:21:18 AM »
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Well, OF COURSE!  They had to find SOMETHING that was real...

And I sometimes wonder what a fish might imagine a deity to be.  Would it be a grasshopper moving on the surface or the hook attached to it?  Would an artificial lure be the Devil and an unhooked worm tossed from a boat be Manna from a deity?  Do the fish wonder about the shape of the boat passing over be a proof of evil or a proof of a deity?

Are 75% of humans smarter than the fish?

Clouds don't exist, water vapor exists.  The fact that we choose to pick out one patch of water vapor over another, even if we don't necessarily see the shape of a dragon etc ... is what humans bring to it.  There is no objectivity without humans adding their bit, just atoms.  No mountains, no anything.
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Offline trdsf

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #179 on: June 20, 2018, 10:32:09 AM »
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Are 75% of humans smarter than the fish?
Not at extracting oxygen from water, no.  ;)
Sir Terry Pratchett, on being told about the theory that the universe is a computer simulation: "If we all get out and in again, would it start to work properly this time?"

 

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