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Offline trdsf

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #150 on: May 25, 2018, 12:41:07 PM »
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I suspect a rational universe usually makes the most sense.  I don't mean a "THINKING" rational universe, that would imply agency.  Just one with rules...
Rational as in explainable within and up to the limits of observation and mathematical modeling.  I reject the Gaia/Galaxia/Universalia position too.  The universe is what it is, and until we reliably observe otherwise, there's no reason to think otherwise.

Of course, that doesn't mean our current explanation is final, even though it's very good.  Einstein's Special and General Relativity were shocking at the time, Hubble's discovery of the expansion of the universe was shocking, Rubin's discovery of both galactic superclusters and dark matter was shocking (although IMO not as shocking as the failure of the Nobel committee to ever award her the Physics Prize), Perlmutter, Schmidt & Reiss' discovery of the accelerating expansion of the universe and dark energy was shocking.

What will be more shocking is if we don't learn something else shocking about the universe in the next few years.  We're about due for a really good upset—they seem to come along about every ten or twenty years.
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Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #151 on: May 25, 2018, 12:56:27 PM »
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There are rules, but no ruler? ... unless you mean a wooden one from school days.  See, abuse of language, everywhere.  There is recurrence of pattern, that isn't a rule, just a pattern, which inductively (logic) doesn't always work out.  Black swans.  Y'all still don't take David Hume seriously.

Indeed yes, and that is what often seems to confuse you theists the most.  Does F=MA require a deity to be true?  If there was no deity wouldn't 1+1 still equal 2?  What amazes ME is that YOU think only a deity could make mass orbit a larger mass without some divine assistance (and possibly assistants). 

Let's say God sneezed.  Oh my, there goes Jupiter off into the Oort cloud...
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Offline trdsf

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #152 on: May 25, 2018, 03:39:27 PM »
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Let's say God sneezed.  Oh my, there goes Jupiter off into the Oort cloud...
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Offline Baruch

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #153 on: May 25, 2018, 05:38:27 PM »
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Indeed yes, and that is what often seems to confuse you theists the most.  Does F=MA require a deity to be true?  If there was no deity wouldn't 1+1 still equal 2?  What amazes ME is that YOU think only a deity could make mass orbit a larger mass without some divine assistance (and possibly assistants). 

Let's say God sneezed.  Oh my, there goes Jupiter off into the Oort cloud...

Newton said yes, a G-d is required, particularly for absolute space and absolute time.  But people mistake him for a physicist, he was an alchemist, Revelations fan, gay, Mint master, natural philosopher, mathematician.  There was no such thing as physics (the modern discipline) until the 19th century.  The first physics PhD was awarded in the US in 1861.
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Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #154 on: May 29, 2018, 09:29:46 AM »
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I checked.  If the game is as good as the teaser, I'm IN!  Is it really?  Do you play it?
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Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #155 on: May 29, 2018, 09:31:13 AM »
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Newton said yes, a G-d is required, particularly for absolute space and absolute time.  But people mistake him for a physicist, he was an alchemist, Revelations fan, gay, Mint master, natural philosopher, mathematician.  There was no such thing as physics (the modern discipline) until the 19th century.  The first physics PhD was awarded in the US in 1861.

I know...
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Offline trdsf

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #156 on: May 29, 2018, 10:56:38 AM »
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I checked.  If the game is as good as the teaser, I'm IN!  Is it really?  Do you play it?
I think it is -- and I still play the old version, I haven't upgraded to Universe Sandbox2 yet (every time I'm ready to, some dumb thing happens that I have to spend money on).

I use it for building stellar systems with certain properties; it helps me flesh out worlds when I try to write about them.

Well, okay, and I like crashing black holes into things.
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Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #157 on: May 29, 2018, 02:42:50 PM »
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I think it is -- and I still play the old version, I haven't upgraded to Universe Sandbox2 yet (every time I'm ready to, some dumb thing happens that I have to spend money on).

I use it for building stellar systems with certain properties; it helps me flesh out worlds when I try to write about them.

Well, okay, and I like crashing black holes into things.

I noticed the "2".  Should I play the "1" first?  Buying the game isn't a problem.
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Offline trdsf

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #158 on: May 29, 2018, 10:08:52 PM »
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I noticed the "2".  Should I play the "1" first?  Buying the game isn't a problem.
Naw, if you're going to get it, get 2; it's a more advanced version.  You don't need to start on the first version to make sense of the second.
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Offline aitm

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #159 on: May 29, 2018, 10:12:19 PM »
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See this? This is a cat.



This is also a cat. They both have four legs, two eyes, two ears, one tail, so they're basically the same thing.



This is a hairless cat. It has all the same features as the other two, but calls itself a "lizard" because it thinks it's better than other cats. This is about as intelligent as arguments over semantics get.

well, this is one of those threads where skipping to the last post is quite rewarding.
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Offline aitm

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #160 on: May 29, 2018, 10:14:16 PM »
OR,,,,this is one of those threads where you assume you have looked at it before and it turns out you haven't and the first page is what you thought was the last page and now I want to crawl back into the bottle....Cheerio!
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Offline Baruch

Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #161 on: May 30, 2018, 02:03:26 AM »
I had a pet iguana twice ... not a good choice.
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Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #162 on: May 30, 2018, 01:45:40 PM »
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I checked.  If the game is as good as the teaser, I'm IN!  Is it really?  Do you play it?
Anton Petrov uses it on youtube, if you'd like the check out his channel:

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Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #163 on: June 01, 2018, 01:41:08 AM »
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Anton Petrov uses it on youtube, if you'd like the check out his channel:

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9 minutes and there is no point to this?
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Re: Are Christians and Muslims idolaters?
« Reply #164 on: June 01, 2018, 01:49:10 PM »
Huh?
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