Author Topic: Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.  (Read 2767 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2018, 09:57:17 PM »
Mothers do "guilting" best ;-(
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Re: Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2018, 03:51:36 PM »
What if, instead of shame or guilt, we teach children to *think*, and most certainly not in the religious sense. Children who are taught that they have already been condemned to hell, unless they do A, B and C, will be filled with self-induced, never ending guilt - over "nothing" that actually exists. This impedes one's ability to think clearly. Now, on top of that we add shaming and guilt, based on the teachings of a book written by cavemen, and we remove their incentive to address real-world problems, from an intellectual perspective.

Fixing this world is, with current science, impossible. Why? Sheer numbers. Over population is lending to the environmental problems we are facing. Mo peeps ~ mo probs. And every young married couple dreams of adding *their child* to this world, cutting down further on the available parking spaces.

With the *big companies* running our financial institutions, and greed at an all time high (and rising) ~ what do we have to offer the youngsters of today? We, the 99%ers, have the illusion of control over the big issues of the day. But, in fact - we have no control over the big changes required to hand our kids a better future. This future has been mapped out already by the 1% of the 1%. I'm not saying that it's hopeless, but as long as religion decides the fate of a nation, and brings about wars, and decisively breaks populations into constantly waring factions, while promoting shame and guilt, it must be (in time) viewed as a purely evil thought process that should no longer be taught as truth.

Re: Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2018, 07:46:02 PM »
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Fixing this world is, with current science, impossible. Why? Sheer numbers. Over population is lending to the environmental problems we are facing. Mo peeps ~ mo probs. And every young married couple dreams of adding *their child* to this world, cutting down further on the available parking spaces.
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Re: Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2018, 07:53:14 PM »
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Which is, among other things, why I'm a member of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login, and have vowed to never bring any children into this cold, cruel world.
Apparently, I'm a member without even knowing it; over 50, married nearly 30 years - and not a kid in sight :)

Offline Baruch

Re: Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2018, 08:28:20 PM »
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Apparently, I'm a member without even knowing it; over 50, married nearly 30 years - and not a kid in sight :)

High intelligence over-heates the gonads with brain power, like a microwave oven ;-)  So the smarter you are, the more infertile you are ;-(
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Re: Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2018, 08:58:37 PM »
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High intelligence over-heates the gonads with brain power, like a microwave oven ;-)  So the smarter you are, the more infertile you are ;-(
Ergo, I must be a fucking genius :)

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Re: Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2018, 07:53:22 AM »
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Re: Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2018, 11:36:11 AM »
O.P. I see the irony of your tag line contradicting your post.

I think that the technology to fix many of the problems we have has existed for a long time. They wont ever get solved as long as the decision makers are people that don’t know or don’t care.

Unbeliever: I'm a member of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
I haven’t heard of this movement, but unless we start colonizing space every nation has a one-child policy in its future
not expecting god to show up, but if he does we’re going to have to beat the prick up.

Offline Baruch

Re: Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2018, 01:24:25 PM »
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O.P. I see the irony of your tag line contradicting your post.

I think that the technology to fix many of the problems we have has existed for a long time. They wont ever get solved as long as the decision makers are people that don’t know or don’t care.

Unbeliever: I'm a member of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
I haven’t heard of this movement, but unless we start colonizing space every nation has a one-child policy in its future

Dangerous machines have a dead-man brake.  Nature does too.  The all-die policy  Usually we all die one at a time, but nature would care if it was all die at once.
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Re: Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2018, 09:40:42 PM »
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Apparently, I'm a member without even knowing it; over 50, married nearly 30 years - and not a kid in sight :)
66.6 years old, married four times, no kids.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2018, 09:46:21 PM »
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66.6 years old, married four times, no kids.

So you are only evil once in your life?
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2018, 02:21:45 AM »
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O.P. I see the irony of your tag line contradicting your post.

I think that the technology to fix many of the problems we have has existed for a long time. They wont ever get solved as long as the decision makers are people that don’t know or don’t care.

Unbeliever: I'm a member of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
I haven’t heard of this movement, but unless we start colonizing space every nation has a one-child policy in its future

I chose to not marry and have children.  My genes do not have to spread.  There are enough of us for complete diversity.  Let there become fewer of us for our benefit and the benefit of the planet.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Re: Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2018, 10:21:54 AM »
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It may be semantics, but I look at it like this:
Guilt:

a feeling of responsibility or remorse for some offense, crime, wrong, etc., whether real or imagined.

Shame:

the painful feeling arising from the consciousness of something dishonorable, improper, ridiculous, etc., done by oneself or another.

Shame is a loaded and toxic word.  It too often drives a person to go within and hide from it.  Guilt, when it dawns upon us, is often a motivator to change our actions or to repair the damage we have done, or both.  I find that much more positive.

I am French and am looser in my interpretation of words than yourself and see the two terms as synonymous. In that, at least, the dictionary agrees.

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DL

Re: Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2018, 10:23:58 AM »
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Mothers do "guilting" best ;-(

Indeed. It affects them more. Testosterone has it's negative effects and estrogen it's positive ones in this case.

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DL

Re: Should we put shame on us all? We burden our children.
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2018, 10:30:25 AM »
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What if, instead of shame or guilt, we teach children to *think*, and most certainly not in the religious sense. Children who are taught that they have already been condemned to hell, unless they do A, B and C, will be filled with self-induced, never ending guilt - over "nothing" that actually exists. This impedes one's ability to think clearly. Now, on top of that we add shaming and guilt, based on the teachings of a book written by cavemen, and we remove their incentive to address real-world problems, from an intellectual perspective.

Fixing this world is, with current science, impossible. Why? Sheer numbers. Over population is lending to the environmental problems we are facing. Mo peeps ~ mo probs. And every young married couple dreams of adding *their child* to this world, cutting down further on the available parking spaces.

With the *big companies* running our financial institutions, and greed at an all time high (and rising) ~ what do we have to offer the youngsters of today? We, the 99%ers, have the illusion of control over the big issues of the day. But, in fact - we have no control over the big changes required to hand our kids a better future. This future has been mapped out already by the 1% of the 1%. I'm not saying that it's hopeless, but as long as religion decides the fate of a nation, and brings about wars, and decisively breaks populations into constantly waring factions, while promoting shame and guilt, it must be (in time) viewed as a purely evil thought process that should no longer be taught as truth.

Well put, except for this.

"Fixing this world is, with current science, impossible."

You are not seeing the strides we have made in terms of solving or evolving to reduce many of our more negative conditions.

Most stats for evil are at the best level we have ever enjoyed and population numbers will level off soon because we are getting a handle on poverty and education world wide.

Some of those stats are shown near the end of this link.

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DL



 

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