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The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?

A nutshell view of Gnostic Christianity is expressed in the first two links. The third shows the attitude and result of Christian and Gnostic Christian interaction. I should point out that Gnostic Christianity does not hold to any supernatural belief, although I know that the literature, mostly written by those who won the God wars, wants to show that we do. Our myths have a lot of supernatural entities but they are myths, not reality.

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I heard the saying in the title of this O. P. some time ago and after looking at the moral aspects of both ideologies/ theologies; --- I think that statement to be true from a moral point of view.

Do you?

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DL

Re: The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2018, 12:20:17 PM »
The length of your three videos combined is one hour, fourteen minutes, and fifty four seconds. I doubt you're going to find many here willing to invest that much time before posting here.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

Offline Baruch

Re: The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2018, 12:38:46 PM »
True, best to have clips only.
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Offline trdsf

Re: The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2018, 01:16:32 PM »
Can we have it in a nutshell what the difference is between Gnostic Christianity and regular Christianity?  Specifically, does Gnostic Christianity still posit a deity of some sort and that Jeshua bar-Joseph either was, or was a part of, that deity?  Is there still a belief in a soul or some other transcendent part of consciousness, an afterlife, any sort of eternal punishment?

Provisionally, though, I'm going to say false, but for this reason: a good Christian is, in my view, a good person who attributes their own innate goodness to the god they believe in rather than giving themselves their own due for doing good.  It's of no relevance to their goodness what flavor of Christianity they follow—or any other religion, or lack thereof.  Certainly I can't stop someone from attributing their goodness to their Christianity, but in my mind what makes them good is within themselves, not imposed from without.
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Re: The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2018, 06:44:41 PM »
I think more of a Christ thing, than a Jesus thing.
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Re: The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2018, 01:48:45 AM »
I kind of think Gnostic Christianity IS Christianity.  Gnostic means "knowing".  Isn't that what Christians think they do?  They have their book, they have their Pope and other god-interpreters who say they speak to JESUS every day.  What else is there?
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Re: The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2018, 03:47:59 AM »
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I kind of think Gnostic Christianity IS Christianity.  Gnostic means "knowing".  Isn't that what Christians think they do?  They have their book, they have their Pope and other god-interpreters who say they speak to JESUS every day.  What else is there?

Belief doesn't equal knowing.  Regular religious are believers, not knowers.
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Re: The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2018, 04:24:40 PM »
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Belief doesn't equal knowing.  Regular religious are believers, not knowers.
maybe regular religious are just good little machines. They spit out what they were programmed with. Like the knob on a washing machine. It has no idea what it is doing but it regularly spits out the response that was programmed into it.
not expecting god to show up, but if he does we’re going to have to beat the prick up.

Re: The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2018, 04:32:56 PM »
The original Christians were "gnostic" and I've even heard Saul/Paul called a gnostic Christian. Those were the ones who didn't think of Jesus as being a real historical person, but as a mystery deity, more like an inspirational gimmick than anything else. The historicists came along decades later and took the religion as their own, reifying the "Messiah" as a real man/God. The so-called "orthodox" Christians were like the freshest initiates, who never understood the deeper meaning of the whole thing, but only what had been given them on the surface. The gnostics were more like the later protestants, who could imagine their deity any way they liked.
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Re: The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2018, 05:40:06 PM »
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maybe regular religious are just good little machines. They spit out what they were programmed with. Like the knob on a washing machine. It has no idea what it is doing but it regularly spits out the response that was programmed into it.

Well, that is the way the Elite want people to be ... with them controlling the knobs.
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Re: The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2018, 05:47:28 PM »
The only good christian is a dead christian.  Ummm...........wait...........wait..........I think I'm confusing that with this saying--the only good indian is a dead indian.  I guess it is doesn't really compute one way or the other.

I don't think it matters which is the 'good' one.  There is no 'good' christian in that none are accurate or based on facts or evidence.  Both are fictions.  Either hypothesis leads to control of the masses and are just as destructive.
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Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
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Re: The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2018, 06:03:51 PM »
I don't think gnostic Christians are about controlling anyone. I think they're more of a sort of "do it yourself" kind of religion.
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Re: The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2018, 08:17:57 PM »
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I don't think gnostic Christians are about controlling anyone. I think they're more of a sort of "do it yourself" kind of religion.
Maybe.  But I think Paul was a gnostic.  And his writings are all about controlling others.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2018, 08:21:45 PM »
Hmmm...good point.
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Re: The only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. True or false?
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2018, 08:24:02 PM »
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The original Christians were "gnostic" and I've even heard Saul/Paul called a gnostic Christian. Those were the ones who didn't think of Jesus as being a real historical person, but as a mystery deity, more like an inspirational gimmick than anything else. The historicists came along decades later and took the religion as their own, reifying the "Messiah" as a real man/God. The so-called "orthodox" Christians were like the freshest initiates, who never understood the deeper meaning of the whole thing, but only what had been given them on the surface. The gnostics were more like the later protestants, who could imagine their deity any way they liked.

I am not very surprised that the people closest to the alleged Christ in time were less likely to consider him "real" than later generations.  The whole idea is mostly a myth anyway.
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