Why Global Warming is another MSM Lie

[Baruch]

The path forward ... Gasoline Commissar ... get your coupons here, if you voted for the right D-candidate.

[Hydra009]

And you will probably criticize me for owning THAT!

Guess again.  I have no desire to sit in judgement on people's individual environmental efforts, nor have I made any indication to that effect.  So why this reaction?

I had to drive to a job in order to pay my rent among 5 guys in a 2 bedroom roach infested apartment in a bad building and ate pasta sprinkled with hamburger for years.  And when the car broke down and I could fix it myself, I walked a mile to the bus stop.  To be technical, a 1.25 miles.

So let's get off the moral high ground and stop this "environmentally-perfect" world you dream of.

I made a pretty big showing of NOT doing that - of acknowledging that on an individual level, there's only so much that can realistically be done and that you shouldn't live a life of privation over it.  I even explicitly said that you shouldn't risk your life to save a gallon of gas.

I also explictly stated that "perfect" isn't the goal here.  It'd be nice, but it's not realistic.  The goal is here is national/international improvement, not perfection.

Tell me how to live in suburbia more environmentally excellent than you think I can.  Be specific.  Every solution you have will also have a downside.  Try me.

Did you not see my post at all?

I tried to emphasize that the national energy system needs to be overhauled from the ground up - that's what's going to generate the most change.  What you're doing individually is good and I give you props for doing what you can.  Like I said earlier, every bit helps.  But the problem is just so vast that it needs a much more comprehensive solution than just individual efforts from concerned citizens.

[Baruch]

Yes, the Jimmy Carter solution ... I remember that one ... our first gasoline commissar failed.

[Hydra009]

Cavebear:  I think I've figured out the disconnect.  It was probably when I said "you're thinking too small".  Probably came of a bit arrogant, maybe even a bit conceited.

I could've phrased that a more diplomatically.  I meant to turn your attention to the vast scale of the problem (and thus any potential solution) that the individual barely registers on the map.

If you go grocery shopping in a Hummer, a Leaf, or a miniature black hole that sucks in only smog and creates artisinal craft beer, it doesn't much matter.  It's like worrying about a single leaky sink in the midst of a practically apocalyptic water crisis on an entire continent.  Sure, every little bit helps, but to put it bluntly, your sink is the least of our worries.

Because of our different senses of scale, we're talking past each other a little bit.

[Baruch]

Cavebear:  I think I've figured out the disconnect.  It was probably when I said "you're thinking too small".  Probably came of a bit arrogant, maybe even a bit conceited.

I could've phrased that a more diplomatically.  I meant to turn your attention to the vast scale of the problem (and thus any potential solution) that the individual barely registers on the map.

If you go grocery shopping in a Hummer, a Leaf, or a miniature black hole that sucks in only smog and creates artisinal craft beer, it doesn't much matter.  It's like worrying about a single leaky sink in the midst of a practically apocalyptic water crisis on an entire continent.  Sure, every little bit helps, but to put it bluntly, your sink is the least of our worries.

Because of our different senses of scale, we're talking past each other a little bit.

The very definition of collectivism.  Of course we do have a society in addition to individuals.  Society will do what it will do ... but don't ever expect it to do what you want ... it doesn't work that way for anyone.

In general, to the crazy folks out there ... if you worry about something you have no impact on (whether you are right or not about that) then you are in a pathology.  Don't worry, be happy.  And it may be a good thing for the Earth to be destroyed, or humanity to be extinct ... how would you know ... are you G-d?

[SGOS]

Don't worry, be happy. 

Just don't stop hating Hillary, at least until no one knows who she is anymore.

[Baruch]

Just don't stop hating Hillary, at least until no one knows who she is anymore.

My quoting that Caribbean song, is irony.  I am anything but happy.  But then old age and the state of the world does that.

Actually, I don't hate anyone personally, not even Hitler.  I hate what they stand for ... crazy monkey memes.

So you tell me, how can we get rid of the crazy monkey memes, without killing all the monkeys?

And no, I don't think anyone can do anything about old age or the state of the world.  Futile megalomania if you think you can.

[SGOS]

Actually, I don't hate anyone personally

You need to stop believing that.

[Mermaid]

I was in a graduate-level ecology class, and one of the students started ranting about how Al Gore had apparently forgotten about the cow farts, termites and volcanoes, and how global warming was bullshit because of that. I have always wondered what sort of grade he got in that class.

[Baruch]

You need to stop believing that.

I have transformed my annoyance at monkey farts ... against the collective intestine of humanity.  I don't consider any one intestine more farty than another ;-)

Of course we could try love, but my love beads were lost around 1968.  John Lennon is dead, no matter what direction you spin the LP.

[Baruch]

I was in a graduate-level ecology class, and one of the students started ranting about how Al Gore had apparently forgotten about the cow farts, termites and volcanoes, and how global warming was bullshit because of that. I have always wondered what sort of grade he got in that class.

The question of Al Gore is a question for political science class, not ecology class.  Clearly the carbon cycle etc is complicated, and humans impact it.

And as I posted earlier, the Earth doesn't have one temperature on a given day, regardless of the chart usually presented.  The chart oversimplifies, because humans can't grasp such concepts.

But another aspect is "global warming" is liberal "doom porn".  Conservatives do something similar "communists under the bed" for example.  People who take a view of a situation to extremes (either we do something or we all die immediately) are usually given to extreme counter-measures.  Such people I fear, legitimately.  Individual action to reduce carbon footprint, isn't something to fear.  It would be healthy.

[Hydra009]

I was in a graduate-level ecology class, and one of the students started ranting about how Al Gore had apparently forgotten about the cow farts, termites and volcanoes, and how global warming was bullshit because of that. I have always wondered what sort of grade he got in that class.

I love that creationists...sorry, I mean GW denialists (I get those two confused sometimes) think scientists who have studied this stuff for decades aren't aware of basic stuff like that.

[Baruch]

I love that creationists...sorry, I mean GW denialists (I get those two confused sometimes) think scientists who have studied this stuff for decades aren't aware of basic stuff like that.

They are ignorant, sometimes deliberately so.  And no, any kind of skeptic, isn't a Creationist.  In fact, since a Creationist posits something, they are not a skeptic at all.  Unless you deny everything, you aren't a true skeptic.  Scientists study lots of things.  Egyptology for example.  But I don't conclude that the Egyptian gods are real.

What policy conclusions one should draw from any confirmed research (what is confirmation?) ... is a political decision.

[pr126]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEYuYCKv5Vo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlC02NsIt0

[SGOS]

I was in a graduate-level ecology class, and one of the students started ranting about how Al Gore had apparently forgotten about the cow farts, termites and volcanoes, and how global warming was bullshit because of that. I have always wondered what sort of grade he got in that class.

Well, you take Al Gore's factors that are causes of global warming, and then you add the causes he left out, and that cancels out global warming.  No wait.  I need to think about this some more.

OK, OK.  Try this.  When I first heard about global warming, the scientific calculations led scientists to conclude that we wouldn't see any actual effects for 100 years, but now we are ahead of that schedule, so global warming probably isn't real.  No wait.  Let me think.  I can do this.  I know I can.  I just need more time.  I'll have to get back to you later.