Why Global Warming is another MSM Lie

[Gilgamesh]

I'm not surprised you are incapable of admitting error in even the most obvious and provable ways.

We're having a discourse. You know when two normal people disagree on something and then have a back-and-forth about it? Each in turn attempting to falsify the most previous points forwarded by the other? That's argumentation.

Then there's retards who do stupid things like define their opponents argument as an inability to accept that they're wrong. It's literally formatted like, "You forwarded a counter-argument therefore you are unable to accept being wrong."

90% chance you don't even comprehend what I'm saying here but instead somehow interpret it as me making pains to explain what argumentation is or something.

[Cavebear]

We're having a discourse. You know when two normal people disagree on something and then have a back-and-forth about it? Each in turn attempting to falsify the most previous points forwarded by the other? That's argumentation.

Then there's retards who do stupid things like define their opponents argument as an inability to accept that they're wrong. It's literally formatted like, "You forwarded a counter-argument therefore you are unable to accept being wrong."

90% you don't even comprehend what I'm saying here but instead somehow interpret it as me making pains to explain what argumentation is or something.

We aren't having a "discourse",  You said one thing in a previous post and denied it afterwards.

And, BTW, what you are suggesting "falsify the most previous points forwarded by the other", isn't something I do.  It is something "win at all cost" unethical "debaters for the sake of debate" people do.  I'm not here to win some election any way I can.  I'm here to slowly grind the truth out of people like you one fact at a time until you are exposed as a false-arguer.  I'm relentless like that.  You will speak what you actually think eventually.

Or you will give up making bad arguments and leave.  Either is fine with me.

[Gilgamesh]

"ur r a false arguer"

[Cavebear]

"ur r a false arguer"

Was that an accusation, a claim, or just another Trumpian "I'm not but you are" playground argument? 

[Baruch]

Damn ... all out of popcorn!

[SGOS]

A common argument used by deniers is that the Earth's warming we are now experiencing is something that has always happened.  And indeed, extreme changes in the Earth's climate have been calculated by science, and theories of a cyclical nature have been advanced by scientists.  Deniers say, "Therefore, warming or cooling is going to happen with or without man."  That part of their argument is factual and supported by the geologic record in the Earth's crust.  But in order to justify a strategy of 'take no action,' they then abandon the environmental argument at mid point and claim that therefore, man's atmospheric pollution has no effect. <think about the logic of that> 

By picking and choosing scientific predictions according to their degrees of convenience and ignoring the parts of physics and chemistry that are inconvenient, they conclude that man caused climate change is harmless because it simply mimics natural change.  Hence "There is nothing to see here, Folks.  Please move on."  What they leave out of their pseudo factual reasoning is that man caused change does not take the place of natural change.  It's added to the natural effects (which are anything but desirable in the first place) and compounding what we don't want to happen anyway. 

And on top of that, deniers act like man's brief stay on Earth is probably just a week or two less than the age of the Earth anyway, and man has lived through all the extremes the Earth has ever gone through, while coming out of all that this smelling like a rose.  "So what's the problem?"

[Baruch]

A common argument used by deniers is that the Earth's warming we are now experiencing is something that has always happened.  And indeed, extreme changes in the Earth's climate have been calculated by science, and theories of a cyclical nature have been advanced by scientists.  Deniers say, "Therefore, warming or cooling is going to happen with or without man."  That part of their argument is factual and supported by the geologic record in the Earth's crust.  But in order to justify a strategy of 'take no action,' they then abandon the environmental argument at mid point and claim that therefore, man's atmospheric pollution has no effect. <think about the logic of that> 

By picking and choosing scientific predictions according to their degrees of convenience and ignoring the parts of physics and chemistry that are inconvenient, they conclude that man caused climate change is harmless because it simply mimics natural change.  Hence "There is nothing to see here, Folks.  Please move on."  What they leave out of their pseudo factual reasoning is that man caused change does not take the place of natural change.  It's added to the natural effects (which are anything but desirable in the first place) and compounding what we don't want to happen anyway. 

And on top of that, deniers act like man's brief stay on Earth is probably just a week or two less than the age of the Earth anyway, and man has lived through all the extremes the Earth has ever gone through, while coming out of all that this smelling like a rose.  "So what's the problem?"

Denying bad news is normal human psychology.  Are you abnormal?

Yes, a major climate swing would be no picnic.  But at least we can eat all the socialists.

[SGOS]

Denying bad news is normal human psychology.  Are you abnormal?

Actually, I find solace in bellowing doom and gloom, which also ranks high in "normal" human psychology.  And the deniers can point their fingers at me, while they look forward to the end of mankind, where everyone but themselves are thrown into a burning lake of fire.  So doom/denial, they use both depending on whatever half thought they are having at the moment, and that's normal human psychology also.

[trdsf]

This thread is only reinforcing my fear that once anthropogenic climate change has reached the point that even deniers can't deny it anymore, humanity's last chance to do something about it will be lost when the "intellectual" (I use the word advisedly) heirs of today's climate change deniers will waste what little time is left us, arguing about whose fault it is nothing got done rather than actually doing something.

The risk analysis really is this obvious: if we follow the recommendations of the researchers and reduce our planetary carbon footprint, if we move to renewable and/or non-polluting power sources (and yes, that does include nuclear), and it turns out to have been a misinterpretation of the data, we're left with a cleaner sustainable world and the bonus of breaking the Middle East's outsized petroleum-based influence on the rest of the world.

If we follow the recommendations of deniers and do nothing and they prove wrong, billions die as the planet grows too warm to support the necessary agricultureâ€"and in the tropics, simply too warm for humans to live thereâ€"and the ice caps melt and flood coastal cities, and if it's a non-reversible process and just keeps getting hotter, we go extinct.

I know on which option I'll place my bet.

[Jason78]

It completely baffles me as to why people were absolutely fine with banning CFC's because of the problem with the ozone layer, but absolutely refuse to use energy efficient products to reduce other pollutants in the atmosphere.

[trdsf]

It completely baffles me as to why people were absolutely fine with banning CFC's because of the problem with the ozone layer, but absolutely refuse to use energy efficient products to reduce other pollutants in the atmosphere.

Especially since the CFC ban demonstrated that collective action on the environment works: the ozone hole is on its way to closing up.

[Baruch]

It completely baffles me as to why people were absolutely fine with banning CFC's because of the problem with the ozone layer, but absolutely refuse to use energy efficient products to reduce other pollutants in the atmosphere.

We are dicks.  Governments are committees of dicks.  We can reduce shit by killing the people who make it.

[Baruch]

Especially since the CFC ban demonstrated that collective action on the environment works: the ozone hole is on its way to closing up.

Communism works ... police state works ... tyranny works ... but the physics doesn't matter, the only reason for humans doing anything, is to score political points, and become dictator .. in order to maximize death.  We are Highlander, only one will see the end ... keep your katana sharp!

Or more recently Game of Thrones or Thanos ... that is it.  You are what you anime.  You all want to be Thanos.  Destroying the Earth isn't enough, must destroy the multiverse ...

Oppenheimer - "I am become death, the shatterer of worlds".  I know about this, been there done that.

[Hydra009]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEYuYCKv5Vo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlC02NsIt0

CAPS LOCK is cruise control for TEH SMaRTz.

[Jason78]

We are dicks.  Governments are committees of dicks.  We can reduce shit by killing the people who make it.

How about;  We stop being dicks?  Can we try that?