Islam in America

[Munch]

Baruch wrote:

I would say not exactly.

Criticizing Islam is denigrating Muslims. That is Islamophobic, bigoted and hateful. Some say racist even.

All other religions are free for all to criticize.

I've noticed it a lot when it comes to liberal atheism, not just on here. Its okay to insult christian beliefs because Christianity is a white person religion (despite it being practices by many colors around the world and it not even starting as a white persons religion) but it makes it okay to insult Christians because their white, and its okay to insult white westerners and their beliefs.
But don't you Daaaare insult the brown people relgiion, or the black people religion, because


Seems beyond fucking ridiculous to be how people because of their political indoctrination can't distinguish the difference between race and religion, they can't separate a mentality from the color of someones skin, which to me is pretty racist itself.

[pr126]

Globalist (Marcon, Merkel, May, Soros) are using Islam as a tool to destabilize societies.
They are importing only Muslims by the millions to Europe just for that purpose.
There is no intent to stop the illegal invasion even if it is ruining the economy. 

[SGOS]

Friend, Living in a socialist and Marxist country, as I do, is the evidence that your claim might be a bit bias and exaggerated.
I perceive the USA as secular, but with a huge base of Christianity.

Yes, the US is secular, but let's not credit Christians with that.  The Christian right doesn't like it.  As we speak, they are working to change the system. 

Guys, please open your eyes and see how rotten the Marxist countries turned out to be.

Strongly Christian influenced governments have seen dark days too.  It's a question of moderation.  The US was formed as a secular state to prevent religion from usurping the power of government, because they knew from history how ugly that could be.  Rome, Spain, modern day Islamic governments, and colonial America, are examples of failed theocracy.

Do not preach to me on how bad a Christian country will be, and how wonderful socialism is!
This is a fallicy, and ignorance.

What I gather from you is that South Africa is both Christian and socialistic.  How is that working out for you?

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[Mousetrap]

Yes, the US is secular, but let's not credit Christians with that.  The Christian right doesn't like it.  As we speak, they are working to change the system. 
Strongly Christian influenced governments have seen dark days too.  It's a question of moderation.  The US was formed as a secular state to prevent religion from usurping the power of government, because they knew from history how ugly that could be.  Rome, Spain, modern day Islamic governments, and colonial America, are examples of failed theocracy.

What I gather from you is that South Africa is both Christian and socialistic.  How is that working out for you?

South Africa was a secular state, and as the socialist communist ANC are slowly changing it into a Socialist state, with the Communist party as ally.
Free Education, Hospitalization, Value added tax at 15%, personal tax at 35%, company tax 28%, with 4% development levies, 35% taxation on petrol (price per liter R15.80 which amounts to 59.80 Rand per US gallon. This is 4.5 US Dollar per US gallon.) The rest is taxes to support the ANC government to give grants to everyone in the country. Grants for having a baby, children, TV, housing, food, schooling, universities, etc.

Now they are following the path as did the Marxist socialist government did in Mozambique, and the socialist government in Zimbabwe,  in expropriating the land from farmers who are the food producers of Africa, to dish it out to their voters who do not have a cooking clue how to farm.

So far exactly 100% of all the farms and businesses the ANC took over and dished it out to their friends and supporters, went bankrupt within the first year, and it lays waste. Some for 20 years already. Any company or mine they take over, gets stripped of anything that can be sold to a scrap metal company.

Same as in Zimbabwe and Mozambique, the socialists now expropriate the land without compensation to the owners, under the umbrella of being white, to keep it as government property. This they then rent out on a 99 year scheme to the previous owners, who can stay on, but they will never own the land again.

To further the view on how nice the country is, they will now implement a medical scheme similar to Obama care.
Why?
Only to ransack the private hospitals, medical schemes, medical insurance etc.

Guys, out of Socialism and communism nothing comes good.
This is a recipe for destruction, and the sooner atheists realize that their recipe is one of historical demise, the better the world will turn out to be.

[Mousetrap]

Yes, the US is secular, but let's not credit Christians with that.  The Christian right doesn't like it.  As we speak, they are working to change the system. 
Strongly Christian influenced governments have seen dark days too.  It's a question of moderation.  The US was formed as a secular state to prevent religion from usurping the power of government, because they knew from history how ugly that could be.  Rome, Spain, modern day Islamic governments, and colonial America, are examples of failed theocracy.

What I gather from you is that South Africa is both Christian and socialistic.  How is that working out for you?

I do not know what Rome, Spain, Modern day Islamic governments and Colonial America has to do with the Western civilization as we know it.

If it is an attempt to prove to me that a Christian government is bad for a country, you are excessively exaggerating on how the roman Catholic empire, Spanish Inquisition, Islamic terrorism, Quakers, and other religions were accountable for religious oppression on the masses.
Lets see, the Roman catholic empires, Western and Eastern, are not a great example of Christian morals, but of corrupt popes who misused the Bible for their excesses.
Spain and the inquisition was definitely also a corrupt organisation where the Church and Government persecuted and killed for power and fortune. Not Biblical at all!
Colonial America, well, If you use the few bad examples of people who used the Church to kill for money, we are again at a witch hunt lynching where gross corrupt men killed to get rich.

Not very nice examples of "Christianity at all"! I agree.

However, I do not want a country to be a Christian or Islamic one, I want a democratic one free of Socialism, because we saw in the 20th century how many people died under Communism and socialism.

Give me a country where the people are Christian, and they elect their government on the foundations of Biblical morals.
Prohibit religious governments, but allow prayer in Parliament!
Allow free choice, but stop abortions.
Allow gay and lesbianism, but prohibit gay marriages.
Be strict on crime, but prohibit despotism.
Teach Evolution, but do so with ID too.
Allow freedom of speech, but stop slander.

Fight Racism, but allow pride in who you are as a skin color.

Oh, and never allow Islam to force their religion in such a country.
Islam is not a religion, but a treasonous ideology to destroy a free society.
Prohibit Islam, Mosques, Halaal food production, Sharia law, the Burka and hajib, and any speakers calling Muslims to prayer.

[Blackleaf]

Why is it that Dems are so afraid of different opinions?

Living in an echo chamber? Where is the Tolerance, Inclusiveness?

Everything not Democrat orthodoxy is deemed heresy?
Try to come to terms with reality. Not everybody agrees to your politics.

I'm not afraid of different opinions. But as soon as you quote Fox News, a network that exists solely to push Conservative propaganda, I'm no longer taking you seriously.

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I'm not afraid of different opinions. But as soon as you quote Fox News, a network that exists solely to push Conservative propaganda, I'm no longer taking you seriously.

I see. Triggered?

But it is always OK to push Democrat propaganda. Got it.

[Baruch]

As of 2017, White Christians are no longer the clear majority, they only have plurality ...

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[Blackleaf]

I see. Triggered?

But it is always OK to push Democrat propaganda. Got it.

Triggered? No. Not even rattled. I hear your brainwashed bullshit so constantly, it's like a broken record. Lemme guess. You think that CNN, NBC, and basically everything but Fox News is Liberal propaganda, right? SMH

[GSOgymrat]

I've noticed it a lot when it comes to liberal atheism, not just on here. Its okay to insult christian beliefs because Christianity is a white person religion (despite it being practices by many colors around the world and it not even starting as a white persons religion) but it makes it okay to insult Christians because their white, and its okay to insult white westerners and their beliefs.
But don't you Daaaare insult the brown people relgiion, or the black people religion, because


Seems beyond fucking ridiculous to be how people because of their political indoctrination can't distinguish the difference between race and religion, they can't separate a mentality from the color of someones skin, which to me is pretty racist itself.

I criticize Christianity more than Islam because Christians are always the ones criticizing my beliefs-- I don't even know any Muslims. We certainly have more Christians spamming this forum and insulting us than Muslims. Islam isn't off limits, it just doesn't affect me.

[SGOS]

South Africa was a secular state, and as the socialist communist ANC are slowly changing it into a Socialist state, with the Communist party as ally.

According to Wiki:
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Christianity is the dominant religion in South Africa, with almost 80% of the population in 2001 professing to be Christian. No single denomination predominates, with mainstream Protestant churches, Pentecostal churches, African initiated churches, and the Catholic Church all having significant numbers of adherents. Importantly, there is significant and sustained syncretism with African Traditional Religion among most of the self-professed Christians in South Africa. [14] Of the total national population of 44.8 million, 35.8 million or 79.8% identified as members of a Christian denomination.[15]

Assuming you are a democracy, I don't think you can blame South Africa's problems on atheists when the country is 80% Christian.

Guys, out of Socialism and communism nothing comes good.
This is a recipe for destruction, and the sooner atheists realize that their recipe is one of historical demise, the better the world will turn out to be.

The forum leans liberal, but I don't think you will find a communist in the bunch. I don't know how typical the forum is of atheists in general either.  In the US, Liberals that I know, as opposed to atheists that I know, tend to perceive government tax revenues  disproportionately going to corporations, rather than coming back to taxpayers.  Each new administration seems to favor a new part of the private sector.  Bush, an oil man, did things that unsurprisingly benefited Oil.  Obama favored wall street and placed some of Wall Street's rogues in his cabinet to oversee the economy.   Our society is definitely capitalist.  The government does help those in need, but we are not a typical welfare state. We are capitalists.   Although I suppose it depends what you think a welfare state is.

You are mistaken in equivocating atheists and communists in the US.  I don't know about socialists either.  Again it depends on what you think a socialist is.  I have never met a communist.  Atheists don't believe in god.  There may be a correlation to liberal, but I don't see a causation.  And I have met an atypical number of atheists that are right wing conservatives, many that buy the whole Ayn Rand package of atheism and libertarianism.

But I don't think your socialistic government is caused by atheists.  Probably more by Christians of varying ideologies about government.

[Blackleaf]

I criticize Christianity more than Islam because Christians are always the ones criticizing my beliefs-- I don't even know any Muslims. We certainly have more Christians spamming this forum and insulting us than Muslims. Islam isn't off limits, it just doesn't affect me.

Exactly. My life has been threatened by radical Islam a grand total of zero times. Beliefs have been imposed on me by Muslims zero times. Christians, though? They want their hands in everything. They're not happy having the right to worship how they want, they want everyone else to live by their standards too. They try to claim ownership over marriage and decide who can or can't marry. They want to make abortion illegal based on nothing but their religious beliefs. They use the government to force their religion on everyone, putting God in the pledge of allegiance and on the money (and no, they were not always there), putting the Ten Commandments on government property and making people swear on the Bible (might as well put my hand on The Prisoner of Azkaban). Christians are the ones who burden me, not Muslims.

[Mousetrap]

I criticize Christianity more than Islam because Christians are always the ones criticizing my beliefs-- I don't even know any Muslims. We certainly have more Christians spamming this forum and insulting us than Muslims. Islam isn't off limits, it just doesn't affect me.

Beliefs?
What beliefs are these, so I can steer clear in offending others.

[Mousetrap]

According to Wiki:
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Assuming you are a democracy, I don't think you can blame South Africa's problems on atheists when the country is 80% Christian.
The forum leans liberal, but I don't think you will find a communist in the bunch. I don't know how typical the forum is of atheists in general either.  In the US, Liberals that I know, as opposed to atheists that I know, tend to perceive government tax revenues  disproportionately going to corporations, rather than coming back to taxpayers.  Each new administration seems to favor a new part of the private sector.  Bush, an oil man, did things that unsurprisingly benefited Oil.  Obama favored wall street and placed some of Wall Street's rogues in his cabinet to oversee the economy.   Our society is definitely capitalist.  The government does help those in need, but we are not a typical welfare state. We are capitalists.   Although I suppose it depends what you think a welfare state is.

You are mistaken in equivocating atheists and communists in the US.  I don't know about socialists either.  Again it depends on what you think a socialist is.  I have never met a communist.  Atheists don't believe in god.  There may be a correlation to liberal, but I don't see a causation.  And I have met an atypical number of atheists that are right wing conservatives, many that buy the whole Ayn Rand package of atheism and libertarianism.

But I don't think your socialistic government is caused by atheists.  Probably more by Christians of varying ideologies about government.

I can claim that only 7% of south Africa is Christian due to the Ancestral worship practiced by 95% of all Black people in this country.
The cloak of Christianity is worn by "Pastors and Prophets", who intertwined the ancestral worship in the place of the "Holy Ghost".
only a very small fraction of Black people does not worship their ancestors. The belief is that the last person who died in the family must be kept happy, and they will then be the intermediate between God and you.
Mandela was also a Methodist / African ancestral worshiper. These are things Black people keep silent about, but it is ingained in their cultures.

Now we get to the core of what the Black man in South Africa beliefs in.
I am led by my ancestor.
If I want to know why something goes wrong, I must go to my Traditional leader.
He will tell you what to do.
If I have aids, sex with a baby will cure me.
If the ancestors tell me to go and rape a white women, or to go to kill a White farmer, I have no choice but to satisfy my ancestor, or carry the consequences.
The ANC government supports, and give Grants to Traditional healers, and they will do what ever the ANC tells them to do.
If you feel someone mistreated you, you can ask the ancestor to bring trouble on the offender's path.
If you are poor, or cant have a child, or even got a ticket, it is due to someone who got their ancestors to bewitch you.
Daily people are burned alive because they identify a witch with the use of a Sangoma, or Traditional healer, who speaks to the spirits and find answers to who the witch is.
Furthermore, Jacob Zuma was identified as a Prophet of God, and Mandela as the Messiah of the African people.

However, I will not use the silly argument that you have to be a certain someone, else you are not Christian, as long as I know who is who, I am safe in my opinion.

Good, now that you placed a wiki link showing me that the South Africans are Christians, I think you must understand that the ANC government are indeed Communist and Socialist.
As is all the African nations and their political parties.

They give everything for free, until the country is totally bankrupt.
Then they accuse the White West for their dilemma.