Author Topic: The IQ Problem  (Read 2356 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: The IQ Problem
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2018, 08:04:38 PM »
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No, actually I don't see his avatar cat as feral.  Sort of mildly Catnipped.   

You mean ... he can't father kittens?  Ow.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: The IQ Problem
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2018, 06:09:34 AM »
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You mean ... he can't father kittens?  Ow.

Another nonsensical reply...
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Offline Baruch

Re: The IQ Problem
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2018, 06:40:44 AM »
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Another nonsensical reply...

Double entendre (intentional or otherwise) wasted on you.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: The IQ Problem
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2018, 08:08:28 AM »
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Double entendre (intentional or otherwise) wasted on you.

"father kittens" is not a "double entendre".
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Offline Baruch

Re: The IQ Problem
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2018, 01:08:45 PM »
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"father kittens" is not a "double entendre".

Catnipped ... would have more than one meaning to me.  You aren't hopeless, but you didn't spend the night at a Holiday Inn Express either.
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Re: The IQ Problem
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2018, 01:33:17 PM »
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Catnipped ... would have more than one meaning to me.  You aren't hopeless, but you didn't spend the night at a Holiday Inn Express either.
  First, you didn't explain "how fathered kittens" was a double-entandre.  Second, you didn't explain how "catnipped" factored in.  Third, I went on a lot of unwanted Govt travel and it wasn't mostly at 2 star motels at best.  I had to sleep in rooms with a narrow bed and no place to even change your thoughts in. 
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Offline Baruch

Re: The IQ Problem
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2018, 07:37:17 PM »
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  First, you didn't explain "how fathered kittens" was a double-entandre.  Second, you didn't explain how "catnipped" factored in.  Third, I went on a lot of unwanted Govt travel and it wasn't mostly at 2 star motels at best.  I had to sleep in rooms with a narrow bed and no place to even change your thoughts in.

Ah, but back then, for a quarter, you could get a vibrating bed!
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Re: The IQ Problem
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2018, 10:39:11 AM »
The East Asians have the highest mean IQ in the world (105) and yet China is a developing country. This seems to be the biggest anomaly as far as global IQs are concerned.

Offline Baruch

Re: The IQ Problem
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2018, 12:44:25 PM »
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The East Asians have the highest mean IQ in the world (105) and yet China is a developing country. This seems to be the biggest anomaly as far as global IQs are concerned.

Well history is more complicated than chauvinists give credit to.  I would doubt that "all E Asians" have high IQ for example.  That is the problem with reasoning from "averages".  For much of Chinese history, their problems were self inflicted, the barbarians outside China (see Japanese-Chinese wars of 1931-1945) simply took advantage of their temporary weakness.

But history should demonstrate, if you have patience, never count the Chinese out either.  Even Confucianism is making a comeback.  In some respects the Japanese for example are scary-smart ... and yet they flew out of control in their foreign policy under Hirohito.  Perhaps they would have done better with an Emperor who wasn't an amateur marine biologist.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: The IQ Problem
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2018, 02:14:31 AM »
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The East Asians have the highest mean IQ in the world (105) and yet China is a developing country. This seems to be the biggest anomaly as far as global IQs are concerned.

IQ scores are determined by the questions asked.  Some studies suggest they are not evenly measured in different ethnic and sociological groups.  There are many objections to some questions on the tests.  Additionally, the scores can be affected by several aspects.  Most notably, who takes the tests matters.  Some nations only test their best students, which has an obvious effect.  And some nations tend to "teach to the tests" meaning that they focus on the kinds of questions asked on IQ tests, thinking that is the best way to learn. 

There is no true IQ test.  A true IQ test would have unexpected questions.  And there are only limited kinds of questions the designers can imagine.
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Offline Baruch

Re: The IQ Problem
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2018, 05:23:51 AM »
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IQ scores are determined by the questions asked.  Some studies suggest they are not evenly measured in different ethnic and sociological groups.  There are many objections to some questions on the tests.  Additionally, the scores can be affected by several aspects.  Most notably, who takes the tests matters.  Some nations only test their best students, which has an obvious effect.  And some nations tend to "teach to the tests" meaning that they focus on the kinds of questions asked on IQ tests, thinking that is the best way to learn. 

There is no true IQ test.  A true IQ test would have unexpected questions.  And there are only limited kinds of questions the designers can imagine.

That was very good.  Feeling better I hope?
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Re: The IQ Problem
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2018, 08:44:03 PM »
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IQ scores are determined by the questions asked.  Some studies suggest they are not evenly measured in different ethnic and sociological groups.  There are many objections to some questions on the tests.  Additionally, the scores can be affected by several aspects.  Most notably, who takes the tests matters.  Some nations only test their best students, which has an obvious effect.  And some nations tend to "teach to the tests" meaning that they focus on the kinds of questions asked on IQ tests, thinking that is the best way to learn. 

There is no true IQ test.  A true IQ test would have unexpected questions.  And there are only limited kinds of questions the designers can imagine.

Have you heard of Raven's Progressive Matrices where the test taker completes a geometric design with the missing piece? This is what is used on most IQ tests and it can't possibly be culturally biased.

Different populations may have different IQ distributions. Although Whites (mean: 99) have a lower mean IQ than East Asians (mean: 105), their scores are more spread out. As a result, there are more White geniuses than East Asian geniuses. Similarly, the IQ scores of men are more spread out than women although their means are approximately equal.

East Asians and Whites have higher mean IQs than South Asians and Blacks because they evolved in much colder environments. Colder environments tend to be more cognitively demanding because one has to make needles/thread for clothing and find a way to preserve food as hunting animals everyday may not be possible.

Offline Baruch

Re: The IQ Problem
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2018, 08:50:18 PM »
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Have you heard of Raven's Progressive Matrices where the test taker completes a geometric design with the missing piece? This is what is used on most IQ tests and it can't possibly be culturally biased.

Different populations may have different IQ distributions. Although Whites (mean: 99) have a lower mean IQ than East Asians (mean: 105), their scores are more spread out. As a result, there are more White geniuses than East Asian geniuses. Similarly, the IQ scores of men are more spread out than women although their means are approximately equal.

East Asians and Whites have higher mean IQs than South Asians and Blacks because they evolved in much colder environments. Colder environments tend to be more cognitively demanding because one has to make needles/thread for clothing and find a way to preserve food as hunting animals everyday may not be possible.



A good test (yes, not biased).  Simply empower all Mensa member to expel the populations of dims to Antarctica.  The highest average IQ I hear, is among New Guinea natives ... because it has been a challenging lifestyle there for millennia.  Yes, cold is challenging, but not as challenging as head hunters and cannibals.  Smarts isn't everything, or do you have a pig tusk thru your nose too?

I think you are treading on thin ice (cold reference).  I would take a smart African any day over a stupid Swede.  Measure people individually or not at all.
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Re: The IQ Problem
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2018, 09:17:09 PM »
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The East Asians have the highest mean IQ in the world (105) and yet China is a developing country. This seems to be the biggest anomaly as far as global IQs are concerned.

It's only an anomaly if you assume 'developing country' necessitates that it's that way because its inhabitants aren't intelligent. There are many factors as to why it's technically a developing country.

Re: The IQ Problem
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2018, 09:49:10 PM »
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It's only an anomaly if you assume 'developing country' necessitates that it's that way because its inhabitants aren't intelligent. There are many factors as to why it's technically a developing country.

What are those factors? I'm curious! (I guess the fact that it's a socialist state is one of them.)

 

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