Feminist Fight Club

[Mike Cl]

the problem being you ignore history and how these groups work, because you don't want your ideology insulted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD5FhhK-UuM

original feminism was about equality, having the same rights as men had back then, and the women who faught of it were on the same level as the feminists in the middle east today who fight for those rights. Todays western feminists are not these same women, because they do nothing to support the women in countries in the middle east, instead just virtue signal and scream about the patriarchy on social media or collage campus, they don't give a shit about the women in the world who are actually suffering right now.

If you want to be a real feminist, try directing your ire towards actual participial societies where women can be arrested for doing so. Thats what the original feminists fought against decades ago in the west and they won.

So, Munch, are you saying that women are now (in the West) treated as fully equal to men?

[Mermaid]

We have no place to whine because burqas.

I totally understand now.

[Munch]

Thanks for explaining my personal beliefs to me. Appreciate it.

You want to hate on women, that's your problem. But don't be surprised when people call you out on the bullshit you are spouting.

so to you, what I said means I hate women. I wish sometimes I took a carrier in psychology, since the money i'd make from studying this level of cognitive dissonance would be quite agreeable.

[Munch]

So, Munch, are you saying that women are now (in the West) treated as fully equal to men?

Compared to how women were treated back when first and second wave feminism was a thing, yes, infact if you can have a woman run for the office president, prime minister, and join the army, I'd say ignoring the advancements women in modern western society have is the reason why current wave feminism needs to themselves the patriarchy is out to get them.

[Mermaid]

so to you, what I said means I hate women. I wish sometimes I took a carrier in psychology, since the money i'd make from studying this level of cognitive dissonance would be quite agreeable.

What I am saying to you is that you think feminists hate men and you are wrong. To back that up, you invoke stories of sexism in other cultures as a reason feminists in western countries are stupid and wrong and hate men.

[Mermaid]

ignoring the advancements women in modern western society have 

Nobody is doing that

[Mike Cl]

Compared to how women were treated back when first and second wave feminism was a thing, yes, infact if you can have a woman run for the office president, prime minister, and join the army, I'd say ignoring the advancements women in modern western society have is the reason why current wave feminism needs to themselves the patriarchy is out to get them.

Yes, I agree that women's rights have improved quite a bit from over the past 200 yrs.  And that is cause for celebration.  But I don't think women are treated as equals yet.  So there is work to be done.  I have not kept up with all the terms (such as feminist) that are used today to describe those who are fighting to bring total equality between the sexes.  And I realize that there are extremes on both sides.  But a person who is working for 'equal' rights should not be considered an extremist.  So, when I think of a 'feminist' I am thinking about somebody who thinks actual and real equality is a good thing.

And there are men who think that that is not such a good thing.  Until Trump I had not realized just how many men in this country that felt that way; just as I had realized just how deeply some racist tendencies were in this country as well.  I had thought both issues were well on the way to being solved.  I don't think that way any more.

[Mermaid]

And there are men who think that that is not such a good thing.  Until Trump I had not realized just how many men in this country that felt that way; just as I had realized just how deeply some racist tendencies were in this country as well.  I had thought both issues were well on the way to being solved.  I don't think that way any more.

Quoted for truth. This has broken my heart a little.

[Baruch]

Compared to how women were treated back when first and second wave feminism was a thing, yes, infact if you can have a woman run for the office president, prime minister, and join the army, I'd say ignoring the advancements women in modern western society have is the reason why current wave feminism needs to themselves the patriarchy is out to get them.

See ... quotas plus.  Once all political and other power positions are held by women, then .. only then will they be equal ;-)  Affirmative action doesn't even mean that for each man in power, you have an equally powerful woman in power ... that is mere equalitatarianism.  And egalitarianism ... that is hopelessly fascist.  The whole Enlightenment is just patriarchy, it has to be thrown out (in favor of French/Russian/Chinese/Cuban revolution), because Martha Washington wasn't the first, or even the second US President.  She did happen to be one of the wealthiest women in America, when George married her however.  Think Oprah.

[Baruch]

So, Munch, are you saying that women are now (in the West) treated as fully equal to men?

Answering for myself only ... men aren't equal to men.  Women aren't equal to women.  Should we make beautiful women ugly, scar their faces, because ugly women can't compete?  Ah ... so you want to be the commissar of un-beauty contests then.  And for the men, lets have American Gladiator, but the little wimpy guy gets a gun, the big aggressive guy can only use his fists.  It's socialism ... you maroons.

[Baruch]

Quoted for truth. This has broken my heart a little.

Next time, nominate a legitimate candidate, who doesn't have to steal the primary, or the party finances, to virtue signal a false victory.  Get a candidate of either sex or sexual preference, who is actually likable, who has plans that people want to see ... beyond the faculty lounge at Berkeley or the executive lounge at Goldman-Sachs.

I would love to vote for a D-party candidate.  But not the trash that is put onto the ballot.  Voted for Obama twice.

[GSOgymrat]

The problem is examing the roles of men and women through the lens of patriarchy to the exclusion of other perspectives. Looking at human relationships soley in terms of power and oppression is reductive and doesn't reflect the complexity of biological, social and cultural dynamics between the sexes. Imagine if two friends were seeking advice on how to have a successful relationship and the entire strategy focused on disparity and who is oppressing whom.  Unfortunately complexity and nuance doesn't lend itself to dividing into opposing factions and making YouTube videos.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

So, Munch, are you saying that women are now (in the West) treated as fully equal to men?

I'd say yes.  Of course they aren't the same, but they are politically equal.  They have all the legal rights as men, in spite of there being some people who still hold old prejudices.

[Munch]

I'd say yes.  Of course they aren't the same, but they are politically equal.  They have all the legal rights as men, in spite of there being some people who still hold old prejudices.

which isn't something policies can change overnight, in order or growth and equal status in society to be a thing it takes time and education, even if the laws are in place.

[Munch]

And there are men who think that that is not such a good thing.  Until Trump I had not realized just how many men in this country that felt that way; just as I had realized just how deeply some racist tendencies were in this country as well.  I had thought both issues were well on the way to being solved.  I don't think that way any more.

as say, there is a major difference between laws in place having the same equal rights between genders, and the opinions of people who conflict with those laws, But with those laws in place the standards in society shift over time to it being the state of normal. imagine if today someone tried to make sure black people could only drink from one water fountain compared to white people, there wouldn't just be an outcry, the law itself would tear them a new asshole.