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Offline pr126

Moderate secular Turkey?
« on: January 21, 2018, 11:48:11 PM »
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Special “conquest” prayers were held across all of Turkey’s 90,000 mosques on Jan. 20 and Jan. 21 for the victory of the country’s military, which launched a cross border operation in Syria’s northwestern Afrin region on Jan. 20 against the Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG).

“Sessions will be held after the isha prayer tonight [Jan. 20] and the morning prayer [on Jan. 21] due to Operation Olive Branch,” said Religious Affairs Directorate (Diyanet) head Ali Erbas in a message sent on Jan. 20 to all offices of muftis and religious officials across the country.

“The Surah Conquest [Surah al-Fath] will be cited during the special sessions to pray for the victory of our heroic security forces, who have launched an operation against terrorist groups that threaten our nation and our peace,” Erbaş added.

Responding to the call by Turkey’s top cleric, thousands across the country gathered in mosques to pray for servicemen taking part in the operation.

It also contains this command:”Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those with him are ruthless against the unbelievers, merciful among themselves” (48:29).

Moderate secular Turkey? Not so much.  Just an afterthought. Turkey is member of NATO. Why?

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Offline Baruch

Re: Moderate secular Turkey?
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2018, 12:45:27 AM »
Good match!  Erdogan may be much like Saruman.

Islamic patriotism .. prayers for Turks going to kill Kurds.  This is why my ancestors left the Old World ... too many jihads.  Not just Israeli are despised, but also Kurds, hated by Turks, Iraqis and Iranians all.

Why in Nato?  The Dardanelles and the Bosporus.  Russia must be contained.  Denmark performs the same thing in the Baltic, and Japan/Koea in the Sea of Japan.  Sakhalin Island occupied by Japan, controlled the northern exit to Vladivostok ... but not since 1945.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Moderate secular Turkey?
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2018, 12:57:43 AM »
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Definitely a jihad surah.  Similar to Biblical references to Jewish armies led by G-d, or Jesus saying he comes to divide with a sword and set the world afire.  This was the way it was ... with the politicized Zoroastrianism of Persia, and politicized Christianity of the Byzantium ... in the case of Ahura Mazda, the great leader against evil, and in the case of Christos Pantokrator, the ruler of the world.  Of course they have Earthly vicars ... the Shah and the Emperor.
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Offline pr126

Re: Moderate secular Turkey?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2018, 01:00:24 AM »
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Good match!  Erdogan may be much like Saruman.
Muhammad is Sauron.

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One Book to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them,
In the Land of Allah where the Shadows lie.


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The New York Times had a starring role in covering up the mass murders of Josef Stalin.  Then the NYT covered up the Holocaust.  Now it is providing cover for the mass murdering inclinations of Muslims.  The names have changed, but what the paper does is the same.

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Offline pr126

Re: Moderate secular Turkey?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2018, 02:12:14 AM »
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Definitely a jihad surah.  Similar to Biblical references to Jewish armies led by G-d, or Jesus saying he comes to divide with a sword and set the world afire.  This was the way it was ... with the politicized Zoroastrianism of Persia, and politicized Christianity of the Byzantium ... in the case of Ahura Mazda, the great leader against evil, and in the case of Christos Pantokrator, the ruler of the world.  Of course they have Earthly vicars ... the Shah and the Emperor.
There is a slight difference between the bible and the Quran.
The Bible is descriptive, telling a story of things past.

The Quran is prescriptive, the commands are valid for all times, for all humanity.
Quran 48:29 is still valid today and will be valid for ever. Or until Islam exist.

But that side, how many Christians have murdered people across the globe in the name of Jesus?
How many Muslims terrorist attacks in the name of Allah across the globe since 9/11?

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Zero terrorist attacks by Christians In the name of Jesus.

Before anyone mentions the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login, led by a psychotic gangster Joseph Kony, with his cult pretending to be Christian, no, it does not represent Christianity, nor it is a threat to world peace.

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Offline Baruch

Re: Moderate secular Turkey?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2018, 07:07:58 AM »
But ... African Christians killing witches and albinos ... that is Christian, right?  Or will you keep exonerating them too?  Well, they are African ... same as those who do female circumcision (an African custom, as is male circumcision) vs Islam.  So just a long "not a true Scotsman" then?

The Vatican (who cut a deal with Mussolini) would agree with you, Germany and Italy didn't represent good Christianity either.  Didn't follow the Pope's instructions to the letter.  How come all the nasty Fascist countries were all Catholic?  Portugal, Spain, Austria, Italy, Germany, Vichy France ... and lets not forget Argentina ... it was the Catholic Church that not only destroyed Hungary for Hitler, but also tried to exterminate your beloved Britain.

Meanwhile, both France and the US are supplying the same Kurds who are being attacked by Erdogan.  That is the real action, not an old book.
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Offline pr126

Re: Moderate secular Turkey?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2018, 07:31:49 AM »
They don’t kill because they are Christians. They kill because they are savages. Their IQ is very low.
There are also no laws. It is the law of the jungle, literally.
But how do we know that they are Christians? Is that what the faith teaches?
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Offline SGOS

Re: Moderate secular Turkey?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2018, 07:35:53 AM »
In fairness to the NYT, the article doesn't appear to be written by the editorial staff.  It is referred to in the article as an op-ed piece, and doesn't necessarily reflect the views of the editors or the paper.  It's an op-ed.
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An op-ed (originally short for "opposite the editorial page" although often taken to stand for "opinion editorial") is a written prose piece typically published by a newspaper or magazine which expresses the opinion of a named author usually not affiliated with the publication's editorial board.

One might suggest that the NYT is in league with terrorists, but I don't know of any evidence to support that. It's an opinion piece written with obvious bias by a Muslim Cleric, and no documentation or evidence to back it up.  The 99.99% statistic is an unsupported assertion, not actual data, at least within the context of the piece.  Providing evidence would be the responsibility of the cleric writer, not of the NYT.

One might question the NYT for giving a floor to the writer, I suppose, but opinion pages and op-ed sections in papers are full of loose thoughts and ideas and are not subject to the same rigors of what journalism used to be.  Opinion pages are just opinions, often with obvious bias, but usually more varied in agenda than FOX News.





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Re: Moderate secular Turkey?
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2018, 09:31:35 AM »
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They don’t kill because they are Christians. They kill because they are savages. Their IQ is very low.
There are also no laws. It is the law of the jungle, literally.

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Offline Baruch

Re: Moderate secular Turkey?
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2018, 01:17:21 PM »
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They don’t kill because they are Christians. They kill because they are savages. Their IQ is very low.
There are also no laws. It is the law of the jungle, literally.
But how do we know that they are Christians? Is that what the faith teaches?

Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noonday sun ...
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Moderate secular Turkey?
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2018, 02:21:48 AM »
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Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noonday sun ...

Given that it is Winter here, the noonday sun is about as warm as it gets.  40F.  So it makes sense to go out then.
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Offline pr126

Re: Moderate secular Turkey?
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2018, 04:45:04 AM »
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Erdogan: Islamic Education Will Forge ‘Pious Generation’ to Build ‘New Civilization’ for Turkey

Turkey was long renowned for its secular government, a modern state guided by the vision of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk when he built the Republic of Turkey from the ashes of the Ottoman Empire in the early years of the last century. The current president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has the opposite vision of Turkey as a Muslim state at the heart of a new Ottoman Empire. A report from Reuters examines one of the means Erdogan is using to achieve this goal: Islamic education in Turkish schools.

The current president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has the opposite vision of Turkey as a Muslim state at the heart of a new Ottoman Empire. A new report from Reuters examines one of the means Erdogan is using to achieve this goal: Islamic education in Turkish schools.

“Erdogan has said one of his goals is to forge a ‘pious generation’ in predominantly Muslim Turkey ‘that will work for the construction of a new civilization.’ His recent speeches have emphasized Turkey’s Ottoman history and domestic achievements over Western ideas and influences,” Reuters observes.

Erdogan’s “drive to put religion at the heart of national life after decades of secular dominance” includes pouring “billions of dollars into religious education,” including a 100 percent increase in funding for “Imam and Preacher” religious academies. Those schools already get double the per-pupil funding of regular Turkish schools but dramatically underperform on standard tests.



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Re: Moderate secular Turkey?
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2018, 06:15:50 AM »
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Turkey is not, and never really has been, secular.  Only top-down authoritarian rule made that so temporarily.  It's not the government that matters, it's the people.  And they are theistic as any in the Mid East.
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Offline pr126

Re: Moderate secular Turkey?
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2018, 06:22:05 AM »
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Turkey is not, and never really has been, secular.  Only top-down authoritarian rule made that so temporarily.  It's not the government that matters, it's the people.  And they are theistic as any in the Mid East.
In the past the army managed to quell the Islamic fervour, but Erdogan has since purged those from the military.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Moderate secular Turkey?
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2018, 08:11:12 AM »
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In the past the army managed to quell the Islamic fervour, but Erdogan has since purged those from the military.

And now Turkey is attacking the Kurdish armed forces. and becoming more accepting of Islamists Jihadists.  Not exactly NATO material...
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