Author Topic: False nuclear alert in Hawaii  (Read 239 times)

Offline Baruch (OP)

False nuclear alert in Hawaii
« on: January 13, 2018, 10:09:11 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/13/hawaii-ballistic-missile-threat-alert-false-alarm

You have 15 minutes to kiss your ass goodbye ;-(  Then you get The Day After/Threads.
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Offline SGOS

Re: False nuclear alert in Hawaii
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2018, 07:29:42 AM »
North Korea is led by a crazy person.  So is the US, and this worrisome.  North Korea might even attack us, kill a lot of people, and cause a lot of property damage.  This may not be a concern of to Kim Jong-un if he feels his own life is unimportant, but I'm pretty sure that with Trump as president or any other president of another party, a nuclear attack by North Korea would render the entire country a lifeless quarantine zone.  It would cease to exist as a nation.  The land would be given to South Korea in the hopes that someday it might even be habitable.  This of course does not assure that such a thing could never happen.  We are talking about crazy people running countries.  Anything can happen.

Re: False nuclear alert in Hawaii
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2018, 10:14:33 AM »
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Offline Shiranu

Re: False nuclear alert in Hawaii
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2018, 11:51:49 AM »
It's a shame we have reached a point where this wasn't assumed to be a malfunction but instead a serious threat.
"When glass breaks it is possible to put the pieces back together, but a heart once broken cannot be pieced together again. The suffering of man is immense, and only in love can relief be found from that suffering."  -
Allahi Allah, traditional Pakistani folk song

Re: False nuclear alert in Hawaii
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2018, 12:07:15 PM »
I'm sure the uninformed and hysterical assumed it was a real threat.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Online Mermaid

Re: False nuclear alert in Hawaii
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2018, 12:11:29 PM »
I'm sure the uninformed and hysterical assumed it was a real threat.
Really? What about that makes one misinformed?

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Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: False nuclear alert in Hawaii
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2018, 02:12:04 PM »
It's a shame we have reached a point where this wasn't assumed to be a malfunction but instead a serious threat.

If you grew up in the Cold War, you would never assume it is a malfunction.  An exercise is preceded with "Exercise, Exercise, Exercise".  This wasn't.  I see it as a human interest story, about what human beings do when confronted with the unexpected.
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Offline Shiranu

Re: False nuclear alert in Hawaii
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2018, 03:53:18 PM »
If you grew up in the Cold War, you would never assume it is a malfunction.  An exercise is preceded with "Exercise, Exercise, Exercise".  This wasn't.  I see it as a human interest story, about what human beings do when confronted with the unexpected.

That's true. For me, the thought of nuclear annihilation has always been pretty low on things I feared... much more concerned about being shot at school or jumped by a bunch of racist idiots. I guess I just always kinda naively hoped that living in fear of the bomb was for the older generations and would stay that way.
"When glass breaks it is possible to put the pieces back together, but a heart once broken cannot be pieced together again. The suffering of man is immense, and only in love can relief be found from that suffering."  -
Allahi Allah, traditional Pakistani folk song

Offline pr126

Re: False nuclear alert in Hawaii
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2018, 12:30:02 AM »
Jamie Lee Curtis on Facebook.

"This Hawaii missle scare is on YOU Mr. Trump. The real FEAR that mothers & fathers & children felt is on YOU. It is on YOUR ARROGANCE. HUBRIS. NARCISSISM. RAGE. EGO. IMMATURITY and your UNSTABLE IDIOCY. Shame on your hate filled self. YOU DID THIS!"
8:24 PM - Jan 13, 2018

There you go. We have the culprit.
Thank you Jamie.
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Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: False nuclear alert in Hawaii
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2018, 02:58:58 AM »
Jamie Lee Curtis on Facebook.

"This Hawaii missle scare is on YOU Mr. Trump. The real FEAR that mothers & fathers & children felt is on YOU. It is on YOUR ARROGANCE. HUBRIS. NARCISSISM. RAGE. EGO. IMMATURITY and your UNSTABLE IDIOCY. Shame on your hate filled self. YOU DID THIS!"
8:24 PM - Jan 13, 2018

There you go. We have the culprit.
Thank you Jamie.

Whoever JLC is, Trump didn't invent human conflict or military confrontation.  And it would appear that it was a Hawaii state employee who erred.  Even Rep Tulsi Gabbard jumped on the band wagon, and I though she was smarter than that.
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Offline pr126

Re: False nuclear alert in Hawaii
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2018, 03:01:52 AM »

Baruch wrote:
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Trump didn't invent human conflict or military confrontation.
No excuse! It is his fault, and that's that.
“True Ignorance is not the absence of knowledge but the refusal to acquire it.” - Karl Popper

“It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled”  - Mark Twain

Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: False nuclear alert in Hawaii
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2018, 03:05:35 AM »
Baruch wrote:No excuse! It is his fault, and that's that.

Yes, Obama, Hillary and even Bill are such well known pacifists ;-(
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Offline pr126

Re: False nuclear alert in Hawaii
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2018, 03:07:51 AM »
Yes, Obama, Hillary and even Bill are such well known pacifists ;-(
They are the salt of the earth.
(You know what too much salt does to you?) ;-)
“True Ignorance is not the absence of knowledge but the refusal to acquire it.” - Karl Popper

“It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled”  - Mark Twain

Offline aitm

Re: False nuclear alert in Hawaii
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2018, 02:16:55 PM »
Whoever JLC is,

.......YOU DID NOT!
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: False nuclear alert in Hawaii
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2018, 06:51:46 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/01/14/hawaii-missile-alert-how-one-employee-pushed-the-wrong-button-and-caused-a-wave-of-panic/?utm_term=.e9d867f96dcc

Not far into the article, it describes the exact moment of human error.  But there was another error before that ... crappy software design.  You don't put "test missile alert" right next to "missile alert".  I accidentally shut down the company server (at a previous job) because a typo happened to correspond to a legitimate command I didn't want to execute.
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