Author Topic: On Miracles  (Read 309 times)

Re: On Miracles
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2018, 02:26:06 PM »
G-d isn't inhuman, just more than human.  But demons see things your way.  They project their own hideousness onto others.  Just like in politics.

If we're all demigods in your view, who are the demons?
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

Offline Baruch

Re: On Miracles
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2018, 02:47:28 PM »
If we're all demigods in your view, who are the demons?

Its a matter of attitude.  At extremes some people are angelic, others are demonic.  Zoroastrianism is wrong ... so is what the Abrahamic religions borrowed from Zoroastrianism.  The Cold War for instance, is institutionalized Zoroastrianism, as were the Crusades and the Jihad.  If you divide people in general, in two, you are also dividing your own self in two.  Schizo.
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Offline trdsf (OP)

Re: On Miracles
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2018, 12:16:18 PM »
If we're all demigods in your view, who are the demons?
I know I'm not a god of any sort.  If I were, things would be run a damn sight better in this universe.
"It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning." -- Calvin and Hobbes
"I thought I committed regicide today, but I committed deicide!" -- Sadie Doyle, Beyond Belief

Offline Baruch

Re: On Miracles
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2018, 12:35:08 PM »
I know I'm not a god of any sort.  If I were, things would be run a damn sight better in this universe.

Demigods can only put their BVDs on two legs at a time, not their pants ;-)

If you want things to be better, run for office, and clean up the DNC or RNC.
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Re: On Miracles
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2018, 09:01:16 PM »
This thought has crossed my mind from time to time.  Why did god only issue his 'word' in one language and in one spot?  Has a bible turned up in say, the Americas dating to that time period?  Or Asia or Europe--or anywhere else?  And why was Jesus, the son of god, not paraded around any other part of the world?  God did not have enough semen in impregnate more than one woman?  Why not Jesus' all over the world teaching the same lessons and healing the sick in that part of the world?  And why couldn't god have written and distributed the same bible in all the languages of the world at that time and in material that would not rot away?  And if this god were perfect and all knowing, why would a bible be needed in the first place? 



This great video pretty much illustrate your post.

Well worth watching.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWZifSXlzlI


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And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence - Russell

Re: On Miracles
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2018, 09:13:40 PM »
That quote was from Mike CL, not me. I was totally confused because I couldn't remember typing that!

Re: On Miracles
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2018, 09:25:13 PM »
That quote was from Mike CL, not me. I was totally confused because I couldn't remember typing that!

Corrected!
And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence - Russell

Re: On Miracles
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2018, 09:26:53 PM »


This great video pretty much illustrate your post.

Well worth watching.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWZifSXlzlI


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Yes, Simon, that is a good illustration of my point.  I had not see that before.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Baruch

Re: On Miracles
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2018, 10:10:08 PM »
Corrected!

I have editing errors too, where I type stuff inside the Quotes, instead of after them.  This makes who said what, unclear.

DarkMatters is good, has been posted here many times before.  The #4 on this series, just before the posted one, is on Lucifer.  I watched that one just now, too.

These show up the conundrums of theology.  Which needs to be done, because theologians are just geeks who don't really get religion in the first place.  They impress the ignorant and illiterate.  Most people don't in fact get religion, they simply go thru the motions, like they do with most things in their lives.  Ritual/habit is how we get thru most things.

If one takes the "objective" aka "external" aka "material" view ... to the exclusion of the "subjective" aka "internal" aka "spiritual" view ... then Camus is right ... the only important question is suicide, individual and social.  Reductionism is its own absurdity.  In pre-modern societies, they didn't have this distraction ... and they dismissed the geeks.

They knew they were people, who lived among other people.  That they were alive, for awhile, and had to get on with daily life, not speculate on string theory.  As Socrates pointed out, the only relevant study for humans isn't Thales' TOE (which was all wet), it is how to be a better human.  I had counseling once, about not being a Vulcan, about just being human.  It was good advice.

I could take many pages, to personally diss everything about the Bible, everything others say in its favor, and everything other say against it.  But that would be a waste of my time and yours.  The video is good as far as it goes, but like any such discussion, it lies, by what it leaves out.  Inevitably, things have to be left out, invalidating the argument.

This stuff is just Nietzsche in action ... obsessing over a book you don't like.  Though I do like Nietzsche's program of getting back to Greek paganism.
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