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Offline Baruch

The Standard Theory
« on: January 06, 2018, 07:16:53 PM »
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Good qualitative review (though 3 hours) of present Standard Theory ... the basis of current materialism.

Notice that this popularization uses its own mythos ... to present it (two people who have travelled to the future).  I find retro scifi more interesting, alternative past, not alternative future.  For example, the British government giving Babbage more support, which creates an earlier computer revolution, leading to a much more world dominance by the British Empire.
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Re: The Standard Theory
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2018, 05:20:02 PM »
Yeah, they should've given Ada Lovelace more support and encouragement, as well:

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How a young woman with the uncommon talent of applying poetic imagination to science envisioned the Symbolic Medea that would become the modern computer, sparking the birth of the digital age.
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Re: The Standard Theory
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2018, 09:32:28 PM »
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Yeah, they should've given Ada Lovelace more support and encouragement, as well:

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But she would have set back the world wide domination of AI by decades, because she denied computers can think, in her very first paper ;-)
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Re: The Standard Theory
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2018, 01:42:24 PM »
Well, she was right - computers can't think. A chess-playing (or Go-playing) computer isn't thinking, it's just looking at numbers.
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Re: The Standard Theory
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2018, 06:42:34 PM »
I believe the intention of the Analytical Engine was decimal ... so not binary ... like modern computers.  But functionally the same thing.  A few modern electronic computers tried to do decimal, but binary was a lot easier.
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Re: The Standard Theory
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2018, 05:37:57 AM »
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Well, she was right - computers can't think. A chess-playing (or Go-playing) computer isn't thinking, it's just looking at numbers.

Which is why I stopped playing computers at chess.  Part of chess is the threat that causes your opponent to move, sometimes to disadvantage. 

A player can be caused to worry about a threat; a computer can't.

And there is another thing that annoys me about playing chess against a computer.  To make the computer "play equal" to me, the computer has to DELIBERATELY make some errors.  DELIBERATELY!  That's cheating.
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Re: The Standard Theory
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2018, 07:18:50 AM »
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Well, she was right - computers can't think. A chess-playing (or Go-playing) computer isn't thinking, it's just looking at numbers.

How is that different to what you do when you're considering your next move on a chessboard?
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Re: The Standard Theory
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2018, 12:24:47 PM »
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How is that different to what you do when you're considering your next move on a chessboard?

Threatening your opponent.  Watching him ("usually him") sweat on a move.  Seeing the uncertainty of his moves.  Knowing when the Knight is more dangerous than the Bishop.
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Re: The Standard Theory
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2018, 12:51:46 PM »
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Threatening your opponent.  Watching him ("usually him") sweat on a move.  Seeing the uncertainty of his moves.  Knowing when the Knight is more dangerous than the Bishop.

That is how I have had interesting chess games.  That and they know the baseball bat can be brought out!
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Re: The Standard Theory
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2018, 01:02:33 PM »
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That is how I have had interesting chess games.  That and they know the baseball bat can be brought out!

Would you like to play a game?
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Re: The Standard Theory
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2018, 01:04:37 PM »
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Would you like to play a game?

When I retire.  But so hard to intimidate thru the Internet.
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Re: The Standard Theory
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2018, 01:37:19 PM »
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When I retire.  But so hard to intimidate thru the Internet.

Ask Mr.Obvious about that...  We have quite a game going.
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Re: The Standard Theory
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2018, 01:40:57 PM »
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Which is why I stopped playing computers at chess.  Part of chess is the threat that causes your opponent to move, sometimes to disadvantage. 

A player can be caused to worry about a threat; a computer can't.

And there is another thing that annoys me about playing chess against a computer.  To make the computer "play equal" to me, the computer has to DELIBERATELY make some errors.  DELIBERATELY!  That's cheating.
Yeah, and in order to make the computer play on my level it takes a long time to make its move - at least on the cheap one I've seen so far. I had one called Excalibur that would take an hour or more to move on the higher levels. It wasn't too bad on the lower levels, but not really that challenging. And, as you say, half the fun of chess is watching your opponent squirm!
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Re: The Standard Theory
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2018, 01:45:27 PM »
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How is that different to what you do when you're considering your next move on a chessboard?
I look at patterns, not numbers. Although when considering a tactical move numbers are involved, such as how many pieces I have threatening a square and how many my opponent has defending it, but mostly it's the patterns that count. When you get right down to it though, according to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login, there exists nothing but number in the universe.
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Re: The Standard Theory
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2018, 01:50:07 PM »
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I look at patterns, not numbers. Although when considering a tactical move numbers are involved, such as how many pieces I have threatening a square and how many my opponent has defending it, but mostly it's the patterns that count. When you get right down to it though, according to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login, there exists nothing but number in the universe.

I was President of the University of Maryland Chess Club at one time (meaning only that I was a potzer who could organize the tournaments).  We had one guy who was always on grass before games.  You COULD NOT BEAT him on the part of the board he focused on, but the other half was free-range.  LOL!
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