Author Topic: A Few Questions  (Read 526 times)

Re: A Few Questions
« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2018, 12:43:18 AM »
In case you have heard otherwise from believers, the Crusades were a true travesty motivated by political gain with spirituality used as the cudgel (I dare not say Christianity as it did not adhere to the teachings of Christ).
Without a doubt, Byzantium cleverly recruited european Christians as their catspaws - the crusaders reclaim lost territory, hand it over (as the crusader states attest, that part was kinda iffy), and in return the crusaders get their sins redeemed and whatever other invisible, unverifiable rewards they desire.  It was a brillaint con.  Well, right up until the sack of Constantinople.  It turns out that zealots can't really be trusted.  Who'd have thought.

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There are distinctions that I do believe are necessary between Christians "sects" especially when it comes to fundamental issues.
And the great schism was coincidentally between the Christians of the capitals of the Western and Eastern halves of the Roman Empire.  Arguably, there was a political element here as well.

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That's why I may put Catholic belief separate from my own--but also acknowledge that there are Catholics who are saved: followers of Christ and not just the church (not to sound too "squishy" but there are Baptists who would need this distinction as well). A Christian should be a Christ follower first and a member of their denomination second.
Understood! There are ideals, but also possibly, a hierarchy of ideals. I would acknowledge much the same!
This sort of pan-Christianity is certainly in vogue at the moment.  From the inside, it looks like Christians recognizing their shared values and unifying.  From the outside, it looks like a consolidation of dwindling congregations, a move more practical than spiritual.
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Online Shiranu

Re: A Few Questions
« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2018, 02:17:00 AM »
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Thank you for the detail! I can see where churches like what you describe would push you away from belief!

Actually, tbh, it wasn't so much that which made me stop believing as much as... well, I just stopped believing.

Unlike many atheists, particularly self-identifying atheists... I really have very little against religion, or any active dislike of it as a theology (I do share the dislike for organized religions bigotry though). If it was a choice for me, I would be religious rather than not.

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What would be one or two Shinto beliefs you think would help the West?

First, the idea of kami... not as theological, divine beings but rather it's more primal definition; nature that inspires awe and reverence in someone, to the point that the object becomes divine. Modern society has become so far removed from nature through technology that this reverence for kami has been lost to so much of my generation, as well as the older and younger ones. And I think older generations that were closer to nature didn't show adequate respect to it either; we have always viewed nature as something to be exploited rather than something to be revered and appreciative of.

This is a broad generalization of course, and I don't mean to imply that the West is exclusively unappreciative of nature and that the Japanese are all nature lovers, but the tradition of finding such beauty in nature is certainly historically more rare in the West (the people who do have always had labels like "the Romantics", "Hippies", etc.) and more common in Japan (as well as some trains of Chinese and Eastern Asian philosophy, or even the animists of Africa or the Americas).

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Offline Baruch

Re: A Few Questions
« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2018, 07:20:36 AM »
The proto-renaissance began with Petrarch hiking up Mt Ventoux.  Not the only one, but the one who got the credit, for reviving European interest in nature.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrarch

Petrarch was a classicist who revived the works of Cicero, and followed Dante, in inventing Italian poetry.

And example of how history is always a contemporary construct, the contemporary always receding into the past:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascent_of_Mont_Ventoux

So what did or didn't happen?  And did it matter, since the propaganda of Petrarch was effective for centuries?  And how did others deconstruct his works, to illustrate their own ideas from 1860 ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Civilization_of_the_Renaissance_in_Italy until 1969 ...



But others more recently have chosen to deny there was a Dark Ages at all ...



And then there is the myth of progress, the myth of the Enlightenment, the myth of modernity ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idea_of_progress#Myth_of_progress



... every generation, re-deconstructing the past via teen rebellion.

The current cycle of cyclical history, deluded by seemingly unlimited cheap hydrocarbons, and free lunch via fiat money.
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Re: A Few Questions
« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2018, 05:35:11 PM »
2. If one is logical, one is a Vulcan, not a human.

People aren't logical or illogical, people are human - concepts are logical of illogical.
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"Nihilism: any aim is lacking, any answer to the question "why" is lacking. What does nihilism mean?--that the supreme values devaluate themselves."
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Offline aitm

Re: A Few Questions
« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2018, 07:40:51 PM »
3.-Describe what the term Jesus Christ means to you.

odd that you refer to JC as a "term".  None-the-less....JC .....if he actually existed was a better con man than most, but not that good. His followers were far better con men than he ever was. The spread of Christianity was not because of JC but in spite of "him".

Here is the thing most missed about JC and his "teaching" and his immediate followers.

 IF, the immediate followers of JC ACTUALLY believed in his words as TRUTH, there would be no christians alive. They all would have been dead within 70 years of the death of JC. This is proven by the babble itself.

How odd eh? If christians truly believed in the words of JC there would actually be no christians left.

And before you ask me to show you the verse that proves this, understand that NOT knowing this verse, proves you never actually read the babble. And secondly, no, I will not give you the verse. Either read the babble or stfu.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Offline Baruch

Re: A Few Questions
« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2018, 09:28:13 PM »
People aren't logical or illogical, people are human - concepts are logical of illogical.

Sets of concepts are consistent or contingent or inconsistent.  Doesn't make them right or wrong.  And a single concept by itself isn't logical or illogical, right or wrong.
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