Author Topic: WTF?  (Read 1688 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: WTF?
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2018, 07:27:57 AM »
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Are you not politically polarized? I think you are.
Anyone disagrees with your ideology is labelled a Nazi?

Just a curse word, an ad hominem ... like communist or atheist ;-)
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Offline Shiranu

Re: WTF?
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2018, 02:19:49 AM »
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You should be proud. It is all in a good cause. Onwards toward utopia!

Quite proud, it's good to see a society not stuck in the sixteen hundreds that believes women are good for only have babies, men are only good for fighting and dying, and that recognizes LGBT+ members as human beings, much less legitimate members of society.

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Anyone disagrees with your ideology is labelled a Nazi?

Okay, Hitler, calm your tits.
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Offline Hydra009

Re: WTF?
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2018, 09:15:06 AM »
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Are you not politically polarized? I think you are.
Well, he's got ya with political polarization.  From what I've seen from you so far, Dems are painted as West-hating traitors and dhimmis whose true loyalties lie with radical muslims who want them dead.  Anyone to the left of Hannity probably looks at that and wonders about your sanity.

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Anyone disagrees with your ideology is labelled a Nazi?
In fairness, you do sorta give off a fascist/nazi vibe.  Maybe it's the fixation on Muslims and the pressing need for a "final solution" to the problem and we're all sort of left wondering what exactly you meant by that.  In the absence of any denial or clarification, making that sort of connection is pretty understandable.

It would be interesting to talk with you (and everyone else) about what sort of society we should aspire towards and what the role of government should be in said society.  An actual conversation with you not revolving around Muslims would be a nice change of pace.

Re: WTF?
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2018, 03:07:09 PM »
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In fairness, you do sorta give off a fascist/nazi vibe.  Maybe it's the fixation on Muslims and the pressing need for a "final solution" to the problem and we're all sort of left wondering what exactly you meant by that.  In the absence of any denial or clarification, making that sort of connection is pretty understandable.
Weird, considering nazi's had very little to say about islam, and the few instances hitler talked about it it was with a hint of admiration. Sounds like you're talking out your ass about stuff you have no idea about. Funny that.



Offline Munch

Re: WTF?
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2018, 03:28:40 PM »
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Weird, considering nazi's had very little to say about islam, and the few instances hitler talked about it it was with a hint of admiration. Sounds like you're talking out your ass about stuff you have no idea about. Funny that.

maybe because both nazis and islam has similar feelings in how to 'handle' jews and gays. Maybe it inspired him even.

Offline Baruch

Re: WTF?
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2018, 03:30:49 PM »
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Weird, considering nazi's had very little to say about islam, and the few instances hitler talked about it it was with a hint of admiration. Sounds like you're talking out your ass about stuff you have no idea about. Funny that.

Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Palestine got along fine.  No doubt had General Rommel done even better, they would have been as colonized by Germany as they already were by Italy, France and GB.
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Offline Baruch

Re: WTF?
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2018, 03:34:14 PM »
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Well, he's got ya with political polarization.  From what I've seen from you so far, Dems are painted as West-hating traitors and dhimmis whose true loyalties lie with radical muslims who want them dead.  Anyone to the left of Hannity probably looks at that and wonders about your sanity.

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It would be interesting to talk with you (and everyone else) about what sort of society we should aspire towards and what the role of government should be in said society.  An actual conversation with you not revolving around Muslims would be a nice change of pace.

On the first part ... that is the stereotype.  Democrats need to not live up to ugly stereotypes.  Republicans have a stereotype also ... of being racist goons who want to give away the store to the nearest millionaire.  They also need to not live up to that.

On the second part ... I think it deserves its own thread, don't you?
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Re: WTF?
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2018, 03:35:05 PM »
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maybe because both nazis and islam has similar feelings in how to 'handle' jews and gays. Maybe it inspired him even.
It's because they both believe might is right and are regressive in a traditionalist sense, yes.

Re: WTF?
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2018, 03:41:40 PM »
Some people seem to prefer force over persuasion, for some reason, as if force has ever accomplished anything good.
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Offline Baruch

Re: WTF?
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2018, 03:42:45 PM »
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It's because they both believe might is right and are regressive in a traditionalist sense, yes.

If they were progressive, they would have realized that smart and wealthy Jews are an asset, not a liability.  Envy isn't a good basis for a social policy.  The Turkish sultan could see the advantage of that, in 1492, when the Sephardic Jews were expelled from Spain/Portugal.  He took in as many as he could, though the most poor Jews ended up in NW Africa, far away from him.  The Prussian king welcomed French Protestants when they were expelled by France in 1685.  And his monarchy wasn't anti-Semitic.  That was mostly in Catholicism, and in Islam outside of the Ottoman Empire.  Persian Jews are still welcome in Iran (but they are Shia).

There were specific reasons for European anti-semitism after 1800, and Islamic anti-semitism after 1900.

Many cultures have believed that might makes right ... can't we say that is true in the US post 1991?
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Offline Baruch

Re: WTF?
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2018, 03:46:26 PM »
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Some people seem to prefer force over persuasion, for some reason, as if force has ever accomplished anything good.

Persuasion doesn't always work ... but it is universally better IMHO.  Also it helps to be tolerant and non-militant.  Intolerance and militancy leads to Final Solutions.  It isn't always possible to be tolerant.  And militancy is necessary when persuasion doesn't work.

Some people are too ambitious for their own good (Germany), and some people are too fearful for their own good (Russia).  Japan then and now would be a good example of intolerance.  France in 1940 vs 1914 ... is a good example of lack of militancy.
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Re: WTF?
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2018, 03:46:56 PM »
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If they were progressive, they would have realized that smart and wealthy Jews are an asset, not a liability.

Depends if they're zionists or not :-)


Offline Baruch

Re: WTF?
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2018, 03:54:27 PM »
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Depends if they're zionists or not :-)



Zionists are supposedly an asset to ancient Persia more than once.  And to GB 1914 - 1918 (Turkey had become racist after 1900).  And they are supposedly an asset to the US after about 1950 (Israel was initially supported by the Soviet Union, as Egypt was supported by GB).  That all changed when Egypt expelled GB, and became an ally of the Soviet Union.  And of course the Israelis, who remained anti-GB (given GB anti-Semitism 1918-1948), became pro-US slowly but surely.  Though it can be argued that they are a troublesome ally.  But then so is KSA (since 1944).  GB and France, in the ME ... were known to be self-interested from 1798 forward, but could be played off against each other, sometimes.  In the 19th century Russia and the US were also involved in the ME as second tier powers ... after 1945 they became first tier powers, and GB/France faded there and everywhere else.

Pretty much everywhere, outside of GB, the US and Persia ... Jewish fortunes sank from 1800 until now.  Modern Israel is an anomaly, and they know that.
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Offline Shiranu

Re: WTF?
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2018, 04:30:52 PM »
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Weird, considering nazi's had very little to say about islam...

I think he means he fantasizes and talks about Muslims alot like Nazi's did Jews.
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Offline Baruch

Re: WTF?
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2018, 05:14:52 PM »
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I think he means he fantasizes and talks about Muslims alot like Nazi's did Jews.

Correct, pr128 is ironically and unselfconsciously projecting.  Originally as a Jewish person in Hungary, he would have reason to be paranoid about Catholics.  He grew up in a transitional time and ended up far from home, and absorbed anti-Communism easily (this was also ironic as many Jews were Communist back then).  With the fall of the Soviet Union, it may be necessary to have an existential enemy of some sort, to get up in the morning ;-(  This is a Jewish cultural syndrome.  There were Holocaust survivors in the US, who still kept their bags packed, in case a new Hitler arose in the US.  Democrats are reacting like that to Trump.
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