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Offline pr126

News from Iran
« on: December 30, 2017, 11:27:48 AM »
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TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Police in Iran’s capital said Thursday they will no longer arrest women for failing to observe the Islamic dress code in place since the 1979 revolution.

The announcement signaled an easing of punishments for violating the country’s conservative dress code, as called for by the young and reform-minded Iranians who helped re-elect President Hassan Rouhani, a relative moderate, earlier this year.

But hard-liners opposed to easing such rules still dominate Iran’s security forces and judiciary, so it was unclear whether the change would be fully implemented.

“Those who do not observe the Islamic dress code will no longer be taken to detention centers, nor will judicial cases be filed against them.” Tehran police chief Gen. Hossein Rahimi was quoted as saying by the reformist daily Sharq.

The semi-official Tasnim news agency said violators will instead be made to attend classes given by police. It said repeat offenders could still be subject to legal action, and the dress code remains in place outside the capital.

For nearly 40 years, women in Iran have been forced to cover their hair and wear long, loose garments. Younger and more liberal-minded women have long pushed the boundaries of the official dress code, wearing loose headscarves that don’t fully cover their hair and painting their nails, drawing the ire of conservatives.

Iran’s morality police— similar to Saudi Arabia’s religious police— typically detain violators and escort them to a police van. Their families are then called to bring the detainee a change of clothes. The violator is then required to sign a form that they will not commit the offense again.

Men can also be stopped by the police if they are seen wearing shorts or going shirtless.

Last year, police in Tehran announced plans to deploy 7,000 male and female officers for a new plainclothes division — the largest such undercover assignment in memory - to monitor public morality and enforce the dress code.

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Offline Baruch

Re: News from Iran
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2017, 12:42:11 PM »
Governments can't rule the people, completely at variance with practical reality, or the will of the people.  Most people in Iran, I suspect, believe in Shia theocracy ... it is utopia, the kingdom of G-d for them.  They just want the ayatollahs to do a better job of being the incarnations of Ali and his descendants. 

The present constitution of Iran is like having the SCOTUS be preeminent, not part of a three way struggle, and all SCOTUS jurists have to be cardinals of the Catholic Church.  Well all SCOTUS jurists today are at least Catholic and Jewish believers ... nobody else need apply.

This also applies to nut houses like the US.  Neither the D nor the R can rule with impunity ... or they will lose the country.  Does society have to collapse into 50% unemployment, for people to get that our representatives don't represent us?  This is the problem the ayatollahs are facing, they are ultimately politicians too.
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Offline pr126

Re: News from Iran
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2018, 01:44:28 AM »
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Online Shiranu

Re: News from Iran
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2018, 03:19:12 AM »
Huh, it's almost like not all Muslims want an authoritarian, theocratic regime that funds terrorism but rather more secular democracies with modern standards of freedom and living...



Here's to hoping Persia can rise again.
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Offline pr126

Re: News from Iran
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2018, 03:44:46 AM »
Islam will never tolerate secular democracy.

Kemal Ataturk's secular Turkey is over.  Erdogan's Islamic state will prevail.

Islam can only be held in check by force. That is what Ataturk done. He didn’t change Islam.

Unless the Iranians have their military to back them up, nothing will change.




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Online Shiranu

Re: News from Iran
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2018, 05:26:16 AM »
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Kemal Ataturk's secular Turkey is over.  Erdogan's Islamic state will prevail.

Maybe. Maybe not.

You could say the same about the "secular West"; America is progressively moving towards theocracy, England is moving towards an isolationist, insular society... in Asia, countries are moving towards authoritarianism (with nothing to do with Islam) ...that's just the way the world works... ebbs and flows. Been that way for thousands of years now, why do we act like we are special and don't follow the same rules as everyone else?

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Islam can only be held in check by force.

Same for all the flaws in Western society; the rampant greed and imperialism that has killed hundreds of millions and fucks over hundreds of millions, billions more, and unfortunately we aren't using force to stop it either.

The world is fucked if you look at it that way. Or you can view the positives that are happening. Frankly, I am tired of looking at all then negative.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2018, 05:40:58 AM by Shiranu »
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Offline pr126

Re: News from Iran
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2018, 06:13:08 AM »
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Maybe. Maybe not.

You could say the same about the "secular West"; America is progressively moving towards theocracy, England is moving towards an isolationist, insular society... in Asia, countries are moving towards authoritarianism (with nothing to do with Islam) ...that's just the way the world works... ebbs and flows. Been that way for thousands of years now, why do we act like we are special and don't follow the same rules as everyone else?

Same for all the flaws in Western society; the rampant greed and imperialism that has killed hundreds of millions and fucks over hundreds of millions, billions more, and unfortunately we aren't using force to stop it either.

The world is fucked if you look at it that way. Or you can view the positives that are happening. Frankly, I am tired of looking at all then negative.
You can create a reality that feels comfortable for you.
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Online Shiranu

Re: News from Iran
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2018, 06:46:27 AM »
And you can create one that scares you shitless. I just find that an utter waste of time and emotional investment.
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"Letting go means to come to the realization that some people are a part of your history, but not a part of your destiny" - Steve Maraboli

Online Munch

Re: News from Iran
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2018, 07:36:05 AM »
better to find a middle ground. Accept theres a lot of shit out there, acknowledge your face it, but then try and build some form of comfort when you can.

Offline Baruch

Re: News from Iran
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2018, 08:59:21 AM »
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I doubt that Kermit Roosevelt is still around to arrange this per CIA and MI6.  That coup required military to cooperate with the coup, like in Turkey, several times now, but most recently failed in Turkey.
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Offline Baruch

Re: News from Iran
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2018, 09:02:48 AM »
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Huh, it's almost like not all Muslims want an authoritarian, theocratic regime that funds terrorism but rather more secular democracies with modern standards of freedom and living...



Here's to hoping Persia can rise again.

Iranian history, and the Iranian Revolution of 1979 is complicated.  It is worth a few months of study, part time.  I have been reading ...
A History of Iran: Empire of the Mind by Michael Axworthy

Don't project American or European culture on people who are neither.  That is White privilege on your part.  Funny how the Left wants to continue to carry the White Man's Burden ... for Karl Marx.  Same as Soviet policy toward the Third World.

I have read the comic memoir ...
The Complete Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi

The Islamic Republic (notice, not a monarchy like KSA) ... knows how to deal with both monarchists and communists ... a bullet to the head.
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Offline Baruch

Re: News from Iran
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2018, 09:04:51 AM »
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better to find a middle ground. Accept theres a lot of shit out there, acknowledge your face it, but then try and build some form of comfort when you can.

Right on, Beef Cake avatar man!  Also acknowledge that since none of us are Iranians, we know jack shit about Iran.  Making facile comparisons between the ME and the West is what got us into Iraq in the first place.  Iran is also 4 letters, and the first three are the same.  Same as the nemesis of modern Britain, the IRA.  Not a good sign.
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Offline Baruch

Re: News from Iran
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2018, 09:21:32 AM »
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And you can create one that scares you shitless. I just find that an utter waste of time and emotional investment.

The world is scary, in fact.  But human beings can't live that way, so we invent reality distortion and ideology, so we can keep our heads up our ass.
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Online Munch

Re: News from Iran
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2018, 09:52:59 AM »
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Right on, Beef Cake avatar man!  Also acknowledge that since none of us are Iranians, we know jack shit about Iran.  Making facile comparisons between the ME and the West is what got us into Iraq in the first place.  Iran is also 4 letters, and the first three are the same.  Same as the nemesis of modern Britain, the IRA.  Not a good sign.

Hercules is unbias, he makes love to everyone, like his old man. And yeah, the west in its attempt to occupy the middle east won't ever change the way people their work, every time it tried to take out dictator, another one pops up. Given that its obvious there is something within that culture that breeds those kind of leaders. And for all his messed up shit.

Shiranu is right that there was a time their country was progressing into something more educated and coming out of the dark ages, but then it regressed due to takeover from those in nearby regions. That should give some insight to the real problem there, and how to address it. I'd like nothing more then for their country to advance and educate itself back to a progressed society, but thats a loooong way off.
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Offline Baruch

Re: News from Iran
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2018, 11:58:25 AM »
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Hercules is unbias, he makes love to everyone, like his old man. And yeah, the west in its attempt to occupy the middle east won't ever change the way people their work, every time it tried to take out dictator, another one pops up. Given that its obvious there is something within that culture that breeds those kind of leaders. And for all his messed up shit.

Shiranu is right that there was a time their country was progressing into something more educated and coming out of the dark ages, but then it regressed due to takeover from those in nearby regions. That should give some insight to the real problem there, and how to address it. I'd like nothing more then for their country to advance and educate itself back to a progressed society, but thats a loooong way off.

Iran in 1979 was only progressive, in Teheran, and only in the educated upper class.  The people in the countryside, and the uneducated or middle to lower class ... weren't progressive.  Egypt is similar today, only no oil.  We aren't talking Sweden here (a monarchy, and pre-2000 for example).  Persia is a cross between India and Arabia.

Typical Third World country with lots of oil, and with lots of context (neighbors and past).  Would you really like having the Soviets, Iraqis, Afghanis, Turks and Pakistanis for neighbors?  It has always been a tough neighborhood, though they have made 2 steps forward, one step back, for over 2,500 years now. 

Two problems, the Shah was a Western puppet, and a brutal tyrant.  In the context of the Cold War, he couldn't be less ... same with the other un-democratic regimes from 1945 - 1995.  We are only one generation past that, but now everyone is nostalgic for the Cold War and the groovy Sixties.  A dog returns to its vomit!
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